For people like me - who do believe the Biblical account - it is a strange situation. I kind of dated a Biblical Evolutionist long ago. When we found we differed in this he asked me how did the whales and other big water creatures get on board the Ark? How did they even get on board before it started to rain? But some evolutionists who did did not hold to the Bible said whales probably had some little hind legs. It makes perfect sense to me, I think the whales and the sea cows walked on board the ark. And this is because I'm using the same info and discoveries that evolutionists use to say there cannot be Biblical exactness. Hmm.
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Evolution doesn't support the idea that fully formed legs can vanish in 6,000 years. Nor does the law of gravity and common sense allow for a mammal with the bone structure and mass of a great blue wale to be able to walk on "little hind legs."
However, as others have stated, whales do not need to board a ship to avoid being killed by a flood. You and your boyfriend are stupid for ever giving that idea a second thought. But, fish do play a role in showing how stupid the myth is when you take into account fresh water fish. Did they walk aboard the ark as well or did Noah catch them all and put them into tanks? Regardless of whatever lame brain excuse you come up with to try and explain it, there are countless problems with the idea of a world wide flood and the bottom line is that there isn't one shred of evidence to support it.
Re: Zadic
Given that the Flood was supposed to be caused by rain water (which is not salt water), and the total volume of water added would be quite a bit more than the volume of water in the ocean (sphere volume and all that), I would think you would have to be more worried about the salt-water fish than the fresh-water fish.
But whales on the ark is still stupid, and so is whales having functioning hind legs 6000 years ago, and so is a literal interpretation of the flood story, or of any of the Bible.
when you say "kind of dated" you mean "bonked, but not exclusively, and I don't want to admit it", right?
Rysith: I never thought of that for a second, but it's an excellent point and makes the problem even worse as fish are very sensitive to sudden changes made to the water they live in. So, it would in fact cause huge problems for both fresh and salt water fish, meaning that Noah would've had to store vast aquariums on the Ark.
I'm ever amazed by the common sense people will ignore in the name of faith. Ignoring the impossibility of collecting millions of species, how does one believe in the idea of a wooden boat that is large enough to hold all of these species and yet somehow manages to stay afloat with the mass of not only millions of animals inside but the apparent water as well that is needed to maintain fish? Never mind all the food required to sustain them for a lengthy period of time, but while I'm on the subject wouldn't he need more than two-seven of every animal to feed the carnivores?
I think I'm missing the problem here...why would water dwelling mamals need a spot on the ark...? Did he bring the fish on, too?!?
Besides, whales technically qualify as "clean" animals, so Noah would have had to have seven of them on board. Maybe he put them next to the seven elephants.
Supposedly, the ark was about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.
So, how did Noah fit much of anything in the ark along with the 2 200+ foot long blue whales (according to leviticus, "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.", so I'm assuming that whales, lacking scales, were an abomination. If not, replace "2" with "7")
And how did he feed them?
They actually had an argument over that...
It's a large sea creature, salty water liking sea creature. About the only critter on earth who would make SENSE to survive a global flood, and they had an argument about how it got on the ark.
Whales, who live in the water anyway, walked into the Ark on "little hind legs" that couldn't possibly support them. And this makes perfect sense to her? This sounds like something straight out of the Landover Baptist website.
That's one of the major problems with the bible - it tries to transpose the origins of life on Earth from the sea to the land, and fails collosally.
In order to cover Mt Everest to a depth of 5 cubits you'd actually need a further 3 billion cubic kilometres, and given there's less than 1.4 billion cubic kilometres of water on the planet, where did over as much again come from - and go to. Also, it would've made the water not salty enough for salt water fish and too salty for freshwater fish and this happened for a year.
Okay. New Personal Conviction: No more FSTDT before bed. The stupid will give me nightmares. Tonight it will be whales, with hind legs, screaming in horror, as they are engulfed in waves.
time4clue: "What about the whales? Wouldn't they drown in the flood?"
fundie #2: "They must've had legs 6000 years ago and since then, they've fallen off!"
Me: *blink*blink* plastic crinkling as I remove a surgical 2x4 from it's wrapping *spit* in hands and rub them together *deep breath* "Idiots! Idiots! Idiot!" screamed as I beat time4clue and fundie #2 into marmalade
Well, hey, if he thinks that whales once had legs and walked on the ark, then he's a Biblical Evolutionist himself, albeit a very ignorant one.
Forget getting any work done this afternoon, I can't get the image of a blue whale tap-dancing on it's little legs out of my head.
MAKE IT STOP SOMEONE PLEASE!
"I think the whales and the sea cows walked on board the ark" "It makes perfect sense to me "
Even with this transparent aluminium in the cargo hold o' this Klingon Bird o' Prey, she cannae take nae more bull- or whale shit, Cap'n! Ye cannae change the laws o' Reality!
[/Scotty] [/"Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"] [/nerd]
Whales walked onto an overcrowded boat, to avoid being drowned in a flood? Really??
Gawd, these flood apologists get dumber by the minute.
Entertaining the god of the gaps by cherry picking what is convenient, ignoring the rest, to attempt to consolidate old human mythology with knowledge that contradicts it, denying that the mythology is symbolic and should be put in its Iron Age context. Ignorance about not only science and its discoveries, but also about the origins and compilation of the scriptures. I assume that the poster means theistic evolutionist when using "Biblical Evolutionist", a common Christian point of view where mythology is understood to be distinct from science, scientific discoveries about the natural world do not need to be denied, while still entertaining a belief in god and an afterlife.
To take the flood myth literaly, one has to ignore its previous polytheistic origin, as well as entertain incredible magical fantasies, while rejecting or ignoring all the evidence for an old earth and the lack of evidence for an actual universal flood, all the evidence of gradual evolution, etc. Even human history. A minimal understanding of ecology makes it completely untenable. "Flood geology" is not science either.
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