Christian Holidays - Why do atheists keep them?
I've never seen an atheist who's hesitated to give his kids Christmas presents or send them on easter egg hunts. They remind me of spoiled kids who will eat dessert, but not dinner.
("Funny, why do you send your kids on a pagan (my Bible doesn't mention the easter bunny) easter egg hunt?")
I don't. Please do not speak lies about me.
I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins.
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oh, you mean pagan holidays right, the ones christians took advantage of right?
I celebrate it not for the birth of any god/deity/savior/messiah/etc, i celebrate it because it's a time to be with your familty and there to be peace in the world...too bad christians don't follow that and instead prop it up as an example of how 'awesome' their religion is over anyone else, you fucking tool.
"Pagan atheistic"? While there are quite a few Pagan/atheist relationships like mine, those are, in fact, two very different concepts.
And ohmyGods, my work husband (a Christian, but probably not Christian enough for PraiseChrist) actually said something like that recently, that some Christians get upset because it's like a kid seeing another kid get dessert without dinner! Of course, he was savvy enough to understand that part of what we non-Christians have to "eat" before our metaphorical desserts is a whole bunch of nastiness-for-Jesus.
Blogged about that here, toward the bottom:
http://crackerlilo.blogspot.com/2008/12/bookworm-meme-plus.html
Again, Christmas is a pagan tradition stolen by the christians. Christ was not born in December, the holiday was originally a celebration of winter solstice. Today, it's a time for families to get together and celebrate their love, friendship, and respect for each-other while looking forward to a new year together. Why can't an Atheist celebrate that? Christ, Yahweh, or any god doesn't really enter into it at all.
"Christian Holidays - Why do atheists keep them?"
I wasn't aware that Christians actually had any holidays. I thought you just stole them from Pagans.
"I've never seen an atheist who's hesitated to give his kids Christmas presents or send them on easter egg hunts. They remind me of spoiled kids who will eat dessert, but not dinner."
Why should a child be denied such things? I don't believe in the basis of Halloween either, that ghosts are roaming the land, but I'd still let the kid partake in the festivities.
"I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins."
I'll bet you put up a Christmas tree, string garland, hang mistletoe, give gifts and sing carols though, don't you? Where do you think all of those traditions came from you hypocritical jackass?
How do you know we give Christmas presents? Maybe we celebrate a pagan or secular version of midwinter/winter solstice holiday? You do know, do you not, that Christmas is just a label put on the pagan holiday?
*sigh* blah,blah...Christmas...blah,blah.....pagan origins...blah. Our time. The resurrection: bring back life = fertility, rabbits, eggs. If I have to explain about the rabbits and eggs then you're a seriously lost cause.
Stole your religion from the Jews, changed it a bit. Stole your holidays from the pagans, tried to change them too.
What about that "thou shall not steal" rule you claim you invented. The "thou shall not lie" is hardly adhered to either
(Horsefeathers)
Actually, the Christians do have two that are commonly celebrated in the Western world: Feb 14 (St. Valentine's Day) and Mar 17 (St. Patrick's Day). You're right about the other "Christian" religious holidays, though.
I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday.
well, Satan has brought nothing into "your" holidays...
There is no god.
There is no satan.
I love to give things to my family. The christ-stain holiday is great for giving. The lights are pretty, and it's the only time of the year when most christ-stains are civil to strangers- ie: me -allowing me to enjoy the company of friends and family.
Other than that, fuck off, you two-bit piece of judgemental shit.
Easter is the feast of the Goddess Eostre, and therefore a pagan holiday.
25th Devember was originally the Feast of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti - the Birthday of the unconquered Sun. A pagan god.
Can we have our feasts back from you Christians, and some back rent on them too!
pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday.
This just in, you stole Easter from pagans. More at 11.
That whole thread is a goldmine. It's like a "How to" in doublethink and weasel language.
(For the UK audience only: "Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, no...")
Was there a point to that? First, you complain about atheists participating the secular, pagan-influenced, federal holiday versions of "Christian holidays" and then you say that you yourself do not participate in that respect and only celebrate it as an exclusively religious day that pretty much noone in Christian-heavy America does. Having your dessert and eating it too?
Atheists celebrate the mid winter solstice, it's a seasonal holiday your 'religion' stole.
Easter Egg hunt? Do I really need to go into the Pagan fertility ceremony that it was stolen from?
Hey PraiseChrist hope your kids don't turn out like you.
The bible is misunderstood by fundies because it's interpreted for them by evil, money-grubbing pastor-goblins. And, if their dull enough, they take it all in.
Celebrating Eostre (named after the Anglo-Saxon goddess of the dawn according to the Venerable Bede) is sooo Christian.
Morrigan wrote:...or a Christmas tree
Decorating trees is specifically condemned in Jeremiah:
10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Pagan atheistic is contradictory . And Christmas was originally Pagan. Even theologians have said Christ was likely born in spring or summer. Even the myths surrounding his birth would indicate that. Hell a pope many years ago asked that X-mas not be celebrated because of its pagan roots. Satan has brought nothing to those days,he has nothing to do with the religions.
The fundie church I grew up in didn’t celebrate Christmas, Halloween or Easter because the pagan roots. Not much fun but at least consistent with their anti-anything pagan stance. Now it’s the pagan parts that I celebrate. I’d prefer to call what I celebrate Solstice or Equinox but for the sake of celebrating the season with everyone else I’ve adopted the habit of just calling it what everyone else does. Go along to get along if you know what I mean.
The secular holidays we celebrate now are an amalgam of many traditions. Just because the Christian name for the winter holiday is the commonly accepted one they think they own it. But with Easter they didn’t name it and they still think they own it. What the hell?
freako104, no it isn't. Pagans can be atheistic or agnostic as well as theistic. Honoring natural forces without thinking there's one big higher power behind it all is a philosophy of some pagans. The more well known paganisms such as Wicca have major deities, but that doesn't mean that all pagans or pagan beliefs do.
That being said, this fundie probably doesn't know anything I just said, and is just pulling terms he thinks are "bad" out of his ass to fling at people.
So...you call us out for celebrating holidays in our own fashion that have been hardwired into the mainstream (Tell someone you don't celebrate Christmas. I dare you. After they're done looking at you like you grew horns, come back to me.) making implicit mention of the mainstream fashion of them being celebrated, and when we call you out on the fact that by and large, the bits that are commonly celebrated by both are not even close to being Christian, you go "Nuh-uh, I don't do any of that stuff, I celebrate it for JEEZUS!" Who is the child demanding Dessert without Dinner, honey?
PraiseChrist, my grandparents were atheists who celebrated Christmas not because of hypocrisy, but because Christmas is primarily about spending time with one's friends and relatives. Please think about what you are typing before you post.
I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins.
Your kids must really love you when they see their friends getting to enjoy Eat-Free-Enormous-Hunk-Of-Chocolate-And-Play-Games-Celebrating-New-Life-Day and all they get is Think-About-Magic-Dead-Tortured-Guy-And-Feel-Guilty-Day.
so in other words, only those who YOU allow can have any sort of holiday celebration, but only if they celebrate it YOUR way, everyone else is just supposed to have nothing
got it
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