We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc. There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime.
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OK. First sentence, excellent and I agree with it. Second sentence, not so much.
Still, halfway reasonable. We've all got to start somewhere, right?
"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc."
true.
"There is no such thing as a victimless crime"
false
"homosexuality is a crime."
false
only 1 out of three. don't bother signing up for law school.
The first sentence has absolutely nothing to do with the second sentence. Talk about non sequitur.
Lighthouse is right that so-called "victimless crimes" are not crimes at all, but then merely asserts that homosexuality is criminal despite giving no evidence that it harms anybody.
We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc.
Gays don't victimize themselves. They're victimized by the homophobes who are harassing them, their friends, family, neighbors, etc.
"We should not allow people to victimize themselves"
I agree. All fundies should be in reparation therapy until they are cured.
"homosexuality is a crime"
Lawrence vs Texas. You fail the constitution.
"we should not allow people to vitimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them...."
Your first sentance would lead to banning every religion. Your second is equally as false. In the first phrase, as one example, interracial marriage used to be a crime. The second phrase is a factual error as well.
*source* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_mental_health.HTML
In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.
"Don't you see, we're only trying to HELP those poor homosexuals, to save them from themselves. That they don't appreciate being denied rights, oppressed, discriminated against, and brutally murdered is clearly a sign of the extent of their illness."
Fucking fixed.
> There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime.
You're aware of what crimes are , right? Violations of laws. And who makes laws? ...You know who makes laws, don't you? No? OK, all together now: PEOPLE DO.
And as long as people are involved in legislation, there are such things as unjustly passed, inapplicable, obsolete, ambiguous and pointless laws. And yes, as a result there are crimes that hurt no one. Know what people want to do with such laws? Do you? No? OK, all together now: WE CHANGE THEM.
Homosexuality was a crime at one point, because that was what legislators said it was. Homosexuality is no longer a crime, because more clueful legislators said it was bullshit.
"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc. There is no such thing as a victimless crime and homosexuality is a crime."
Ranting street preachers who get pointed & laughed at. (PROTIP: Quakers. Unitarian Universalists). Blasphemy is a victimless crime, therefore right-wing Fundamental ist Christianity is a crime.
Hellooooooooo...! You down there in that argumental pitfall trap of your own making. Word of advice in your shell-like, pal: the phrase 'when a you're in a hole, stop digging ' exist for a reason.
Sado-masochism much, fundies? Want the 'Persecution' to stop? Then make like a Quaker, be hyper-tolerant and STFU. . As in 'zip-it.com' [/Dr. Evil]
It won't kill you.
It puts the duct tape on it's skin. Or else it gets pointed and laughed at again. [/"Silence of the Fundies"] X3
While I agree with your first sentence, your second one is both wrong and slightly troubling. Homosexuality is not a crime (in the US anyway) and if homosexuals are victims, that's not their fault, but the fault of ignorant people like you who refuse to accept them as human beings deserving of the same rights and respect as everyone else.
Homosexuality is as much of a crime as heterosexuality. Maybe even less of one since the overwhelming majority of rape (outside of prison anyway) involves heterosexual urges.
And rape IS a crime, with real victims.
We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc.
What a wonderful argument against the Republican Tea Party Movement.
theologyonline.com
... I wonder what aliens what think about that. A species that is simultaneously advanced enough to create the internet, but backward enough to have theology on it.
It'd be like discovering a species using satellites to worship the sun.
(Also, this quote demonstrates the sophistication of "theology online".)
Homosexuality is a crime? ORLY?
Aren't there law against scamming people out of money, false advertising, etc? I would like to see lawsuit brought for these snake-oil salesmen to prove that god told them to ask for money, that the special bottle of water or the sacred sweat-rag, or whatever they are hyping will actually bring the "promises and blessings" they screech about.
Organized religion is the crime.
So, for the sake of argument, how exactly would you go about disallowing these "crimes"? Raise taxes to fund a special task force to spy on people in their own homes and bedrooms? You would also need to pay to incarcerate the estimated 10% of the population who is gay, as well as the court costs involved.
Believe me, if you got your way and I were on the jury, I would be invoking the juror veto.
You are clearing a buffooning, drooling idiot. You have no case and no plan to support your insane bombast. No one is going to do it for you, so how about you STFU.
We should not allow people to victimize themselves,
So you support socialized health care, then? Can't let people victimize themselves through not having health insurance, after all.
I think there is no such thing as a victimless crime.
If there's no victim, why is it a crime at all?
"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc."
1. You would be very surprised at some of the things I classify as self-sabotage. I would, however, insist on being on any committee you establish to make such determinations and act on them. Still seem like a good idea to regulate the lives of others?
2. Your premise can also be stated, "We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when we can do it for them." Coercion is bad, m'kay?
"There is no such thing as a victimless crime..."
Perhaps in an ideal world. Governments get to define what is a crime in our world. How do you feel about sedition laws and other laws designed to suppress free speech and other basic human rights?
"... and homosexuality is a crime."
Unless you are the dictator of some unfortunate country, you don't get to make that call.
@Night Jaguar
"theologyonline.com
... I wonder what aliens what think about that. A species that is simultaneously advanced enough to create the internet, but backward enough to have theology on it."
Something for Shitehouse to consider: Species 8472 has several genders. [/"ST:VOY] [/nerd]
Better read the law books again, because nowhere in the U.S. at least, is homosexuality a crime.
I haven't read the comments yet so I'm sure someone has already said it, but blasphemy is a victimless crime.
NO VICTIMLESS CRIME?!
"We should not allow people to victimize themselves, especially when there is a cost to those around them: friends, family, neighbors, etc."
I'm so glad you understand why we'll need to filter your Internet access to block theologyonline.com and similar harmful sites and forums. Also, we'll swing by to collect your Bibles and religious paraphernalia for proper, safe disposal tomorrow around 2 PM. We'll contact you again for your mandatory deprogramming as soon as there is a place available.
I see a whole lot of statements, but no actual conclusion being provided.
THough technically I could use their own statements to disprove the conclusion that "homosexuality is a crime" if i can include the qualifier that "the act of homosexuality doesn't create a victim"". If that is true then this person must accept that they can't say that homosexuality is a crime by their own standards.
Homosexuality has just as few victims as heterosexuality does. None whatsoever, in-and-of-themselves. (There are, of course, victims of rape and molestations, women who are harmed or die during pregnancy and child-birth, etc.)
What cost to those around them does homosexuality have, that heterosexuality does not have?
Blasphemy is a victimless crime. At least until such time as the god in question presents himself in the witness both.
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