I believe you are a nurse? Please cite something in medical research that actually supports the idea that terminating a pregnancy results in a better chance of survival for a woman in any circumstance, than carrying the baby to term. As far as I know, only ectopic pregnancy fits this presumption, and there has already been at least one ectopic pregnancy that continued to term WITHOUT killing the mom (I believe in australia, last year). Hence the presumption is suspect. But even if the presumption in the sole case of ectopic pregnancy is indicative of REAL risk to both mom and baby(it probably is), there could not be any excuse for removing the baby from the mon without attempting to SAVE the baby, as well as the mom.
There have been several trauma victim moms who have been maintained on life support to save the baby, and if memory serves me right, at least one of those moms "came back".
But at any rate, my point is: I don't believe ANY RESEARCH has established the scenario you present for your hypothetical. Prove me wrong if you can.
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Granted, this was just something I read somewhere, so I have nothing to cite but, from what I remember, childbirth has a higher mortality rate than abortion (once abortion was legalized) So, assuming that info is correct, is it that much of a stretch to say that it would always be in the best health interest of a woman to abort?
Oh, found some numbers- 13 women died per 100,000 live births in 2007 but, in 1997, only 7 women died per 100,000 legal abortion.
"Please cite something in medical research that actually supports the idea that terminating a pregnancy results in a better chance of survival for a woman in any circumstance"
Preeclampsia. The only cure for preeclampsia is to remove the baby from the womb. This could be through induced labor or c-section, but if the pregnancy is in it's early stages it means abortion. Preeclampsia is a very dangerous condition.
I'm sure there are still many more medical reasons to abort other than ectopic pregnancy, but I don't feel like googling them. And I wish every single one of them on you, for being a tard. Wait, you're a dude. Well, fuck you then.
really stepped on a land mine there.
word of advice.
if you throw down the gauntlet, you might just get beaten to death with it.
The fallopian tubes are incapable of sustaining foetal growth or expanding to meet the growing size of the foetus even IF by some mutation it survived for very long within extra-uterine tissue.
Citation fucking needed.
This makes me want to go into my lab and devise a way for men to incubate and give (horrible, painful) birth to children. It really does.
That occurrence with the mother surviving the ectopic pregnancy was a fluke. Every other time, either the child was aborted or the mother died.
Ectopic pregnancies typically cannot be saved. We've tried. It doesn't work.
BTW, if you save the mother, she can try again later and produce a healthy baby. If the mother dies, no babies.
Cancer. Would you deny the mother treatment if that means the baby will get killed by said treatment? Or would you force the mother to suffer and die, just to deliver a baby in the world which will have to grow up without a mother?
Sane people who are capable of empathy know what the right thing is to choose. You religious nutters, who are supposed to be all about love and compassion, wouldn't.
I call bullshit on the story of a successful delivery from an ectopic pregnancy. I couldn't find any evidence of such a story, whether from Australia or anywhere else. You'll need to do better than that.matthew wheeler doesn't want to accept any evidence for abortion being necessary in certain circumstances because he believes women should be forced to bear children, even if it may kill them.
I saw the TV program about the ectopic pregnancy where the fetus formed outside the mother's uterus inside her abdominal cavity. It was an extremely dangerous pregnancy because the placenta attached to the mother's internal organs, and had to be very carefully removed after the delivery by surgery. Yes, the mother lived but it was extremely risky and life threatening. If it were my wife I'd have wanted the pregnancy terminated.
And again, this is only one occurence out of thousands of ectopic pregnancies which have to be terminated to save the mother's life.
Statistical probability hates Matthew. Outliers are called that for a reason. Your point is still completely invalid. Yes, there may be times when miracles happen, but God is kinda slow at giving them out, leaving many to die for a reason that could have been prevented. Yes, you don't like the idea of killing babies, and that is fine, but to believe that you would know more about it that SOMEONE IN THE PROFESSION is just idiocy to the extreme.
your argument for ectopic pregnancies being brought to term is based on ONE example of the mother surviving?
By that logic I could make an argument that you should be put in front of a firing squad, after all there's probably at least one example of all the riflemen missing the target right so it's a perfectly rational position to take on the risks involved.
What about heart disease in the woman; a pregnancy puts incredible pressure on the whole body.
Pregnancy and childbirth are the most dangerous things a woman can do with her body. One woman dies every two minutes from complications of pregnancy and childbirth.
If you're medically dead, as in; your brain, lungs and heart don't work, you can't "come back". If you're merely in a coma, or a vegetative stage, there might be a possibility of "coming back"
As far as I know you've never been right about anything your whole life. I believe it's been proven you make stuff up all the time and it probably is true that you're a habitual liar.
And if memory serves me right you're a doo doo head with cooties. Prove me wrong if you can.
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