Atheism is another belief system which is based on the belief of evolution. I lack belief in atheism, but if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution and show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe. Unfortunately the theory of evolution has failed since and contradicts scientific laws. Notably the Second Law of Thermodynamics which proves there needs to be a Creator. However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!
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I suggest a "THIS ISN'T POKEMON" award.
I mean... really. I think creationism could be dealt a very huge blow if we can just get this one point across to them...
The moment we can get them to go "oh, so it DOESN'T say they spontaneously turn into a new species", we'll have knocked some very grave stupid out of their heads.
And what's with these constant references to an enclosed system? Have they forgotten about the bloody SUN (again)? And eating? And environing radiation? and all those other sources of energy that are "outside" the body?
Okay bright guy, prove how atheism is based on evolution since it predates Darwin, by say 6000 years according to your own "Bible"? Two, Quote the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Define entrophy. Three, Explain why the laws of the land do not apply to atheists if they want to murder someone, according to fundies? Four, magic is religion's stock in trade, only an idiot(or a fundie) expects instant transformation of one species into another, evolution teaches better. Five, I don't want to know about your inability to pick up women! Six, drugs and alcohol might help you loosen up and begin to think for yourself, sheep!
Atheism is another belief system which is based on the belief of evolution. I've discovered a wonderful new hobby called not collecting stamps. Who would like to get together with me and not talk about all of the stamps that we haven't collected during all of our years of not collecting them?
I lack belief in atheism, but if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution and show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe. If anyone can give me concrete evidence for creation and show me a heap of dust turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe.
However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy! I do agree fundamentalism would be cool. Imagine being able to kill anyone different from you, since you're doing the Lord's bidding, and since being a decent human being is a work and salvation isn't through works.
This has always pissed me off. christians assume that without a magical stone telling us what we should and shouldn't do, atheists have no fiber.
I don't kill people because I a good, moral person, not because I'm afraid of being punished for it.
"Atheism is another belief system.."
Lie #1. Atheism isn'ta belief system.
"...which is based on the belief of evolution."
Lies 2 & 3. Evolution isn't a belief system. Atheism predates the Theory of Evolution by hundreds if not thousands of years.
"if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution..."
Lie #4. Science has been giving you evidence for 150yrs you and your fundie ilk have ignored it and have remained willfully ignorant.
"....show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me."
A Strawman, aka Lie #5, evolution doesn't work that way and you know it.
"I'll believe."
Lie #6. Jesus himself (if he existed) could desend from heaven to tell you evolution happens and you still wouldn't believe it.
"Unfortunately the theory of evolution has failed.."
Lie #7.
"...and contradictis scientific laws."
Lie #8.
"the Second Law of Thermodynamics which proves there needs to be a Creator."
Lie #9.
"I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to.
Lie #10. There are laws against murder.
"...and commit immorality with all the women you wanted."
Lie #11. Sex isn't evil.
Atheism is another belief system which is based on the belief of evolution. Wrong, atheism is the position that there are no gods. It has nothing to do with evolutionary biology.
I lack belief in atheism, but if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution and show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe. You lack belief in atheim? This means you dont believe that anyone is an atheist. You are wrong , I am an atheist.
What?? A monkey turning into a human would utterly DISPROVE all of evolution. Nobody cares what you believe, as long as you dont try to force anyone else o believe it
Unfortunately the theory of evolution has failed since and contradicts scientific laws. Since when? You need to insert a date.
The theory of evolution has predicted antibiotic resistant bacteria. It contradicts no scientific laws,
Notably the Second Law of Thermodynamics which proves there needs to be a Creator. LOL, Do you even know what the second law of thermodynamics is? It does not proove that there needs to be creator. It only states that there needs to be an input of energy to a system to keep that systm stable. It does not affect evolution in any way.
However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!" What? How would being a monster make atheism suddenly "cool"? You realy think that killing people is "cool"? You are sick.
Is it just me, or is this guy basically saying that if he thought for a second there might not be a God, he'd run out and start killing, pillaging and raping people?
I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted.
You're sick.
Why is it that fundies are so attracted to the things their religion prohibits? I don't know of any atheists who have to hold themselves back from killing.
If you can give me concrete evidence for creationism and show me dirt turning into a man, I'll believe. Unfortunately the creation myth, like all myths contradict reality. However I do agree theism would be cool imagine being able to beat up fags and burn witches and execute catholics because they're not christians. Death and pain yeah babyy!
If I had a dollar for every fundie fuckwit who has said that they would go out and kill, rape, pillage, etc. if someone were to prove to them the non-existence of God, I'd be able to buy out Bill Gates.
JD, I can't say what the poster means (it doesn't make much sense, and the monkey-into-human thing is highly obnoxious) but entropy applies to everything in the known universe. The sun and stars included. I've never known anyone to talk about entropy meaning the body or even just the earth as the enclosed system, but as all energy in the universe.
Of course Douglas Adams had some interesting things to say about an infinite universe and the alleged things in it lol
if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution and show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe.
I see b1schoff gets all of his scientific data from Pokemon.
Which would explain the rest of the post...
JD and Skeptical: I think that when fundies trot out this talking point about entropy and closed systems, they're thinking about all of the universe, not a local area. They argue that no energy can come into the universe from outside, because there is no outside, and they ignore the temperature disparities closer to them.
Even in this closed system of a universe, the stars and planets are radiating light and/or heat, which we are able to use to create growth and sophistication.
The creationists misunderstand the whole "science" thing, and then declare that the universe is now as it has always been and always will be; essentially unchanging and unchanged. I think it has to do with a misunderstanding of the conservation of mass and energy, but I'm not sure how to express it.
That is what I was saying, Chan. Naturally, the energy outside the earth is and can be used to create growth and sophistication. The point creationists generally make about that is that because of entropy, even that energy is essentially finite. That it is being used up all the time (or rendered nonusable.) That stars will eventually burn out and ALL usable energy will eventually be used up (converted to unusable energy.) Which means, they say, that if the universe is winding down, it must have once been wound up. That it had to actually start somewhere. Did all that usable energy come from nothing, or was it created, in other words.
I think it's the exact opposite of saying the universe always was and always will be, the same. If it will end, it had to have begun, so to speak.
WTF?
Making a monkey turn into a human in front of you would be a magic trick, not evolution. It's also physically impossible, because modern monkeys are on different branches of the evolutionary tree from us, so it's not like we could just make their genes backtrack to our common ancestor and start up our path.
Thermodynamics... yeah, take chemistry.
Atheism =/= immorality. And if you're a believer in evolution, harming your body with drugs and alcohol is stupid because it decreases your chances of being an evolutionary success.
Well, sociopath, on the bright side there are many, many religions in the world who would encourage you to 'kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!'. (As long as you are serving their 'cause' that is.)
Atheism as a philosophy does not condone any of these things as it is simply the belief that no gods exist.
If we could turn a monkey into a human right in front of you, that would not be evolution. Please do some more book learning before you try to debunk your betters.
However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!
I am an atheist and I don't get to kill anyone, I have sex only with those who wish to have sex with me (and not even all of them) and I usually have no more than three drinks in a week (mostly on different days). Am I missing out on the joys of atheism? Is your religion the only thing holding you back from rape and murder and drug abuse?
Do us all a favour and kill yourself.
Just yourself, don't take a bunch of others with you.
how does that logic work? we evolved, therefore we can get high, drunk, laid and kill whoever we want whenever we want. what am i missing exactly?
"However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!" b1schoff
It's exactly this kind of mental illness for which religion was once deemed a cure. It is distrubing that there still are morons out there who believe that a "hell" is the only reason to NOT do evil. Wow... it's like coming across someone suffering from bubonic plague in this day and age. O_O
Well, all I can say is that as far as the universe being a closed system, it's safe to say cosmologists expect entropy to get us if nothing else does. "Cold particle soup" is one word I've heard used, but that doesn't prevent localized decreases in entropy from being possible. Just remember, while the Earth may be decreasing in energy, the core of the Sun will eventually crunch down to iron, which is basically the end of the line before complete collapse, which can't happen in a star the size of the sun anyway.
Atheism is another belief system which is based on the belief of evolution.
So there were no atheists before 1859? Don't be stupid.
I lack belief in atheism, but if anybody can give me concrete evidence for evolution and show me a monkey turn into a human right in front of me, I'll believe.
Believe what; evolution or atheism? The two have nothing to do with each other. Plenty of people believe in both God and evolution. The Catholic Church, for example, sees no incompatibility between the two.
Also, if a monkey turned into a human before your eyes, that would be proof of God , not evolution, since it would require a magic violation of the laws of physics. If it made you believe in evolution, it would prove you have zero understanding of the subject, because evolution doesn't claim monkeys turn into humans.
Unfortunately the theory of evolution has failed since and contradicts scientific laws. Notably the Second Law of Thermodynamics which proves there needs to be a Creator.
The "Second Law" argument has been dead for years. You won't find ID guys like Michael Behe and William Dembski using this silly argument. If this argument were valid, it would equally prove the impossibility of photosynthesis.
However, I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!"
Plenty of creationists kill people and have sex with anyone they want. They are no better on this score than anyone else. Generally, religious people commit a higher proportion of crimes than atheists.
Ok, I guess I should be fair here. He's not lying, he's just ignorant and poorly educated (The education system in America, the 'bible belt', it adds up people!). Hoenstly, I feel a great deal of pity... provided I can do it at a distance 'cause otherwise i'd want to strangle the ****er.
I was introduced to this site by a christian... an intelligent and well-educated one at that! They do exist, but I doubt this guy would think they counted as christian.
lastly... wow. I mean, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so incredibly sad. Seriously dude, you basically contradict your own arguments, and you think atheists have a problem?
" I do agree atheism would be cool imagine being able to kill who you want to and have sex and commit immorality with all the women you wanted. Drugs and alcohol yeah babyy!"
It sounds cool, but there's a fuckton of paperwork.
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