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Evolution is one of the secular holy tenets, which will destroy you if you touch it. No evolution doubter is allowed to instruct or to publish. Evolution is the third rail, which must not be touched. What makes it so? Why is any
"science" Holy? It is not the purely inferential conclusions that are drawn from single instances of existence. It is not the empirical data (which does not exist).

What makes it so is the utility of the theory for social engineering in the Nietzschean/Dewey/Alinski tradition. The influence on society of this non-empirical science is due to its devaluation of humans to animal levels, and the "Will To Power" which accompanies that, not its negligible influence on biology.

This is why the ACLU will spend millions on defending evolution against all comers; it is why Atheists choose evolution as their mantra. The idea that there is no creator to have bestowed any human rights on humans has just one justification: evolution. It is the dogma of the statists.

But evolution has no...NO...scientific merit of the empirical variety. It is purely extrapolative, speculative, inferential story manufacturing. The vaunted science has only speculation to back it up.

So I will continue to poke at the nakedness of this non-empirical emperor. It is not a closed case. It cannot prove its speculations. If it were not tied to a social agenda it would not be allowed by reasonable scientists to be elevated to the secular deification it now enjoys.

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old comment by Kuno

OK Stan, listen to me, I will only say it once:

THIS IS ONLY IN YOUR MIND! (sorry for the screaming)

No one is saying the evolution is sacrosanct, if anyone could produce evidence against it that would hold up to scrutiny, scientists would abandon the theory.

Secularism (nor atheism, with which you seem to confuse it) is not dependent on the ToE. You can be a secularist or an atheist without thinking the ToE to be correct.

The function of the ToE is not to bring on any social changes or politics. It is a descriptive theory in the field of biology, nothing more!

The ACLU and others are not defending the ToE, they are defending the US constitution against people who are trying to break the First Amendment. If someone would try to get Intelligent Falling taught as scientific theory in physics classes, they would sue against these people, too.

The ToE in its most recent form has literally tons of evidence for it and until now nothing that would falsify it. This fact will not change by your ignoring that.

And now to the only sentence in your text I can agree with:

It is not a closed case.

Yes, correct. But just in the same sense as any other scientific area or theory!

Jeesh!

old comment by Pule Thamex

Oh! Please! Please! Somebody put me out of my misery! I beg you, anybody, please end my emotional turmoil! All this smug taunting! All this not knowing! Won't someone please end this damned torment! Send me compelling evidence of the alternative to evolution immediately, that I might know peace at last!

I'm sick, sick, sick, I tell you, sick of these people hiding their compelling evidence of an alternative to evolution from me! I have rights as well you know! It's not clever! And it's not big! Withholding compelling evidence like that from people is completely malicious and unnecessary!

OK! Have it your own way! Mock all you like! Keep your damn secret! See if I care!

OK! If you won't give me the compelling evidence of the alternative to evolution, then I'm going to flounce! There, I did it! Now who's the jerk? Eh?

Not so clever now are you? Hiding your compelling evidence from me like that! See if I care!

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Evolution is one of the secular holy tenets, which will destroy you if you touch it. No evolution doubter is allowed to instruct or to publish. Evolution is the third rail, which must not be touched. What makes it so?"

Better ask Michael Behe. The mere fact it destroyed his academic credibility in the eyes of the entite scientific establishment is the least of your problems...

Even so much as thinking of opposing Reality itself with what is fairytale bullshit (two words: Talking Snake), has completely annihilated the Religious Reich's whole Cre(a)ti(o)nist agenda, no less.

The clothes exist (Rainbows don't exist, but can be seen), it's your 'Emperor' - God - who doesn't.

Remember: we have the evidence (fossils): we win. Every time. >:D

Moral: Don't fuck with Reality.

old comment by m

But evolution has no...NO...scientific merit of the empirical variety. It is purely extrapolative, speculative, inferential story manufacturing. The vaunted science has only speculation to back it up.

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Oh stop it! You are killing me!

old comment by Sangfroid

1. If you have any REAL evidence disputing Evolution and can demonstrate it, you get the Nobel. You haven't, so you don't.

2. Publishers want to make money, and most anti-evolutionists can't write to save their lives (not to mention most ID and creationism is flat out BS), so unless you're willing to go to a vanity press and pay a couple of thousands, forget it. Why should a publisher spend heavy cash just so you can see your name in print?

3. The reason the ACLU keeps winning? Because they have the law and the Constitution on their side. Sorry, but if your one piece of evidence is the meanderings of Bronze Age shepards, you'll lose everytime.

In conclusion, your honor, it is clear Stan is a brain-dead moron.

old comment by Swimming With Crocoducks

@Beezlebub: Just what I wanted to post after reading the quote.

Seriously, I just don't get why creationists make such a big deal out of evolution.
Whenever the topic of Atheism comes up they immediately start assuming that the ToE is something like holy writing to us, as if we treated it as some magical explanation for life, the universe and everything.
Maybe it's just because they don't understand it, but how the heck is it that they think we worship Darwin/[otherevolutionaryscientist] like they are gods? Is it just so impossible for them to accept that some people are fine with having no god in their life that they think Atheists need some sort of replacement?

All the ToE does is explain how lifeforms change over time. How hard is it to get that into one's head?

...Also, those fundies sure love to throw around the word "agenda" in order to make people paranoid.

old comment by Swede

Why this focus on evolution? Nobody fixates as much on evolution as fundies do. To us normal people, it's just one of many different fields of science.

Stanny-boy, the point is that the ToE is DESCRIPTIVE, it explains how nature works. It is NOT a rulebook and can not be used to breed super-humans. That would be breeding, stupid, not natural selection.

It is NOT a devaluation humans to animal level, but an elevation of animals to human level. We are all living things and deserve to be treated with respect.

The ACLU defends all violations of the Constitution and violations of human rights, silly. They are defending against pushing religion into science, where it does not belong. Evolution is not our mantra, it's your anti-mantra. We don't care that much about it really, any more than we care a lot about photosynthesis or gravity or the periodic table. They are just parts of science, useful tools to understand reality.

Millions, maybe even billions, of Christians accept evolution as fact; to them it's not either evolution or a creator, but both at the same time. After all, many of the ones who discovered it, and many who use it in their work every day, are/were Christians. Our idea is that there is no evidence for any creator, that everything can be explained without magical influence.

Evolution has, perhaps, MORE scientific merit of the empirical variety, than any other field of science. It's purely common sense, obvious to anyone who looks closely. If you want story manufacturing, go look at the Bible.

You are merely poking at your own strawmen, and one of these days they will fall on top of you.

Secular deification? Now there's an oxymoron, if ever I saw one.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

A belief that the Bible is without error is a basic principle of fundamentalism. Alongside that, fundamentalists tend to believe in the literal truth of the Bible. Most Christians (and Jews) believe the account of creation is not supposed to be read as the literal truth but as a creation myth with moral significance. To a fundamentalist, however, if the Bible says that God produced fish and birds on the fifth day, then that's exactly what happened. Evolution tells us that the creation account in the Bible is not literally true. If a fundamentalists were to accept this, they would cease to be fundamentalists; it strikes at the very heart of their beliefs, of what makes them distinctive. They are obsessed with evolution because it threatens their beliefs and thereby, in their opinion, the existence of Christianity (other sorts of Christianity have, of course, "fallen by the wayside" and so are worthless).