Everyone talks about the 'religious right' as if it's a new phenomenon in the US. Clearly, it isn't. History shows that it isn't new.
The precepts presented by the 'religious right' are those that were held to by the founding fathers and then right down to the sixties.
It's not the right that's new; it's the liberal elite that's hijacked politics in the recent past.
We're just taking back what's rightfully ours!
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No, this is a secular nation, bitch. Check the fucking Treaty of Tripoli.
And this sounds an awful lot like the "gay agenda" you bigots are running around screaming.
The "religious right" IS a fairly new abomination. It is an evilon between Fundies/evangelicals/pentacostals, conning neocons, and profit-at-all-costs business interests forged in the late 70s - early 80s.
The founding fathers were essentially the eft-wing radicals of their time. They thumbed their noses at their king and founded a new, more liberal country. For that matter, assuming he actually existed. Jesus was a left-wing radical of his era. Bill, on the other hand, is just a run-of-the-mill idiot of his time.
"The precepts presented by the 'religious right' are those that were held to by the founding fathers" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
If people like Reagan, Bush, and Son of Bush (and Dick) are/were the liberal elite, then I don't think anybody wants to know what you call a conservative.
Fortunately, you're just babbling back the drool some idiot was preaching about on Sunday.
"Rightfully ours" - if any two words should strike greater fear into the heart of a civilised, peace-loving person than these, I can't think of them. When people start shouting about what's "rightfully theirs", it's a good idea to get as far away from them as possible before the unpleasantness begins.
Liberalism is new?
I think a number of ancient civilizations would like to disagree.
Politics are as old as mankind, they just keep re-naming themselves.
Ermm...uh...okay...
America was founded on the idea that the government gets it's power from the people not from some idea of divinity. The government of the United states would be a fully representative democratic state, with a three branch federal system. There would be no monarchy, only law, laws made by the will of the people. At it's birth America was the most progressive nation in the world. Face it.
America was founded on liberalism.
In today's terms the political attitude of the founding fathers would have to be termed liberal. And we were founded as a secular nation, based on the principles of the French Enlightenment. Read the Constitution. In the meantime, you ain't takin' nothin' back, Sparky.
Liberals and conservatives have existed for centuries, and it's always been the same story: Conservatives digging in their heals and refusing to accept progress, before finally accepting that the liberals were right after 50 or so years. Wash, rinse, repeat with whatever the hot topic of the moment is -- the earth being a sphere, equal rights for women, equal rights for minorities, and now equal rights for homosexuals, with conservatives kicking and screaming all the way.
Um, dang, what was that word they taught me in the army? Er,... Oh yeah, I remember now...
BULLSHIT!
I suspect Billdo here was raised on homskoolin textbooks; either that, or he's writing them.
I've looked over a few, and found that the fundiespawn really are learning an entirely different history. One such indicates that the United States was founded entirely by Southern Baptist preachers, oblivious to the wicked secular fact that Southern Baptists didn't yet exist.
Congratulations, Bill. When you're wrong, you are really way-out-there, transcendentally WRONG!
Read a book on American History, whydon'tcha?
The right being the haven for religious fundamentalists may or may not be a new phenomenon. The liberal left, however, is not.
From our friends at Wikipedia:
The terms Left and Right have been used to refer to political affiliation since the early part of the French Revolutionary era. They originally referred to the seating arrangements in the various legislative bodies of France, specifically in the French Legislative Assembly of 1791.
Originally, the defining point on the ideological spectrum were the attitudes towards the ancien régime ("old order"). "The Right" thus implied support for aristocratic, royal, or clerical interests, while "The Left" implied opposition to the same. At that time, support for socialism and liberalism were regarded as being on the left. The earlier "left-wing" politicians were advocates of laissez faire capitalism and the "right-wing" politicians opposed it, until the early nineteenth century when anti-capitalism gained favour among the leftists due to the rise of socialism.
Yeah, I can just see John Adams reacting to taxation without representation with "surely this is a sign that our Lord is coming soon! Marantha, Lord Jesus!"
Or Franklin: "Surely we must hang together, or hang separately. Then again we might be Raptured on the docket, just leaving our clothes to fall through the empty air as we meet Jesus high above. Marantah, Lord Jesus! Come soon!"
so your takeing back power, from the guy that is on your side, who was in charge, for 8 cunt gargling years?
Look, Bill, even if you are right (and I doubt it), you are not going to "take back" this country without a major fight from those who cherish the first amendment.
I'd be thrilled if the "liberal elite" would hijack American politics today.
If you want what's rightfully yours, Bill, read a history book and find out what that is.
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