God refers to himself as a potter. Job reveals that God rather painstakingly formed the earth. If you've watched a potter at work you have a good idea how God formed the earth (the only object we can study up close). The angels watched and rejoiced when the foundations were laid. This too, indicates a careful, methodical, process.
The finished product would have revealed this as well. You have to visualize the perfection that was the earth before the rebellion. It's orbit would have been perfectly circular, with no tilt in axis. No harsh winter, a tropical climate with abundant plant life. No destructive weather patterns. This is also the restored condition God has promised.
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This guy has obviously never used a potter's wheel, nor tried to form a vessel in an unorthodox shape from potter's clay. (In this case, a perfect sphere qualifies as 'unorthodox' as it's incredibly diffictult not only to make but to fire as well.)
oh, for crying out loud. You'd better not really be old, because then you'd have no excuse. Crack a book, bozo.
So, before the fall, there weren't 55 crystalline spheres geared to god's crankshaft, eh?
Since Aristotle discussed the heavens motion in perfect circles, I guess he must've been pre-fall, right? But then, Ptolemy (iirc) realized they weren't perfect circles and so, came up with epicycles to explain the motion in terms of perfect circles.
I guess Aristotle must've been pre-fall, but Ptolemy was post-fall. So, the fall must have happened between 322 BCE and 98 CE. Since the fall supposedly happened before Jesus, we can narrow it down to 161 BCE +/- 160 years. I guess the fundies have it backwards; people must have lived a lot shorter lives before the flood (since there were ~60 generations between adam and j dog, people must've been having kids during their own terrible twos back then...)
I'm still a little confused, though, about how god laid down the elements/minerals that cannot exist in the presence of free oxygen, weathered them as if by erosion, and then covered them up, while making them on his potter's wheel, but I guess, as christians used to be fond of saying, "It's a mystery..."
1. No axial tilt, no seasonal variation, no weather, no variation in orbital period: That ball could not support life.
2. So, during the fall he put us in a elliptical orbit and tilted the Earth's axis, without causing tidal stresses to break us up.
Yeah, that's the simple explanation.
So this girl picked a piece of fruit off a tree and...we went into an oblong orbit and developed a wobble.
Can you be a little more stupid? Can you do that for us? C'mon ! I'm sure you can add to this.
Those foundations? Get a permit? done by Code? Little worried right now. Bonded Angels? Got the paperwork?
We may have to tear it down and start over
> No harsh winter, a tropical climate with abundant plant life tropical diseases.
And some of us from cooler climes wouldn't consider tropical to be perfect by any standard. You're just claiming that your own personal preferences are what is best and 'perfect'.
Where is the justification for the Fall tilting the earth?
You aren’t suggesting that “The Fall” actually referred to the first Autumn, are you?
“The finished product would have revealed this as well. You have to visualize the perfection that was the earth before the rebellion. It's orbit would have been perfectly circular, with no tilt in axis.”
But other literalists insist that God MADE the earth with the tilt and the elliptical orbit so that we’d have seasons, thus perfect with his plan.
Are you guys just making shit up?
“No harsh winter, a tropical climate with abundant plant life.”
Except, biblically, plants aren’t alive.
Only animals that breathe through their nostrils are alive.
Not butterflies, fish, trees, fungi, ants…
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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