(The question was: If you accept that God has always existed why not take a step further and say the universe has always existed?
This question was posed by the late great Carl Sagan in Cosmos.)
Because the Bible said God has always existed and that He created the universe. If He created the universe than obviously it hasnt always existed. That Carl guy must not have been so great since he didnt use the sought after "logic" and "common sense" before he asked a question.
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Anonymous:
Life is not simple, and science is not for simpletons. Go to talkorigins.org for the beginning of some of the answers to the questions you ask, and if they seem complicated, well, tough titties. That's why people go to school for the better part of a decade just to get into the field.
Life is simple? The hell it is. Explain to me in detail, down to the molecular level, how a cell processes chemical signals, and then tell me how "simple" life really is.
You just can't change these people's minds. Even if the answer to absolutely every question they could think of were plopped down in front of their faces (and quite often this is, in fact, the case), they would deny it all the way to the grave.
Very well, Anonymous. Keep believing what you want to believe, even if it is simply out of your own willful ignorance. There's nothing we can do to stop you.
Dear Anonymous,
He asked the question because he had no answer. If he had felt that the bible adequately explained things, he would have accepted it. The fact that he didn't simply shows the inherent weakness of the "god did it" claim. The whole fundamentalist approach is built around the rule “don’t ask questions”, because questions expose the weaknesses of the assertions the bible makes.
Dear Anonymous,
I have a question, why didn't God put the Ten Commandments (not the original, but the second version after the first broke) in titanium? Wouldn't that truly be amazing? You know, everyone would be like "Wow! A substance we never knew of before and cannot normally break! Praise the Lord!" or God could of just made it out of matter that is out of this world.
But nope, God sent the Ten Commandments in stone, which is all the ancient Israelites knew of at the time.
Dear Anonymous,
Your scoffing at modern science, your childish insults and your derogatory tone towards schools shows that you are willfully ignorant, and seem to be proud of it.
Perhaps if you bothered getting a real education, you'd understand that life is not as simple as you think it is.
If it's all so simple, would you care to explain exactly how mitochondria work? Or, if it's so simple, map out the human genome?
Saying "God did it" is a cop-out for "I don't know, and I'm not going to bother learning."
@NonProphet :
I already asked him to explain biochemistry and he ignored the question. I don't think he knows. Not surprising, given his apparent disdain for schooling.
It's interesting; many people use the obvious (seemingly irreducible) complexity of life to support their belief in God. If life is so simple, Anonymous, why couldn't it have evolved without divine intervention?
Life is simple? People have known for thousands of years what it is to live. A corpse is chemically the same as any one of us, but is not doing any of the essentiols of life- eating, breathing oxygen, taking in water, and reproducing itself before it eventually dies. This is more complicated than "I don't know how it first started, therefore, God did it all." Anonymous, you are a simpleton with no logic or critical thinking.
So much for Carl Sagan. It's ironic. Scripture tells us that the rigteous will "shine like stars in the firmament," while Carl Sagan, who loved stars so much, will never see the stars again unless they are visible from the abyss of hell.
@MessianicServant
So your Grammas a star? or in Heaven or does she shine like a star in Heaven? or is Heaven the entire starscape and,,, oh forget it. Scripture is bad poetry at best and your "win" stategy here is to use a particularly vauge verse, an obviously metaphoric one at that, and try to link it to a dead Atheists passion for science?
Hey all you fundies! I've got a miracle that I might accept that's remotely possible but still might take divine intervention. If one of you fundies can describe or properly use irony, that'll be something.
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