God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of a plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).
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The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific)
I think my irony meter just exploded.
God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of a plane of time).
No, that's what we've been saying for a lot longer than you have about the secular origin theories, if you merely replace the word "god" with "the conditions of the pre-universe". You can't just nick our argument and shoehorn the word "god" into it as if it's what you've always been saying for the last few millennia.
...Except that time would appear to be a property of the universe and not something within which the universe exists.
Therefore the concept of "before the universe" is nonsensical, whether time extends further back than 14.5 billion years or not. Therefore it is as nonsensical to say that the universe requires something outside itself to create it as it is to say something to the left of my desk caused its left-hand edge.
"The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific)."
You mean like your invisible spook?
I've had irony meters explode, shoot themselves with revolvers, and try to maim me physically, but this is the first one to extend a robotic arm, detach and crush its sensor, and scream IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND!! Seriously, I need to stop going for the high-end, super-connected, "genius" meters. They're all just smartbombs waiting to happen. And waiting to cite internet memes.
Now how do you KNOW that? What measuring stick did you use to come up with those speculations? You're so attached to your need for something supernatural to explain the natural that you can say or think any kind of nonsense to rationalize your faith. But it still doesn't make any sense, and certainly far less sense than a natural explanation.
Who says the big bang isn't just the result of a future big crunch (if that theory is even still valid)? That would put the whole universe into a timeloop, so there would be no beginning or end, thus it would be eternal and everlasting. Also removes the need for any god to exist to create it, as it created itself.
But that's just one of many possibilities.
This actually offers a more satisfying explanation of God than most fundies can provide, but 'super universe' is just too damn funny.
EDIT: agentCDE, that was EPIC FLUXING WIN.
"God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of a plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created."
Confused?
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