I'm sorry, but the producers at Sesame street hardly count as Scientists, Lark. Find a monkey that can actually talk to me in English, then I"ll be impressed with Evolution's theory. Surely monkeys would have adapted to those selective advantages by now if Evolution were true, right? I can teach my dog through repetition to fetch a ball, but dog gone it...he still can't do Calculus.
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Somehow it has never been evolutionarily favorable for fundies to grow a brain either.
Natural selection works in mysterious ways, huh?
Watching the zookeeper and one of the apes sign at each other at the national zoo several years ago was something that blew my mind at the time, I have never forgotten it. They were talking. Not in English, granted, but it was a two way complicated conversation that went on for five minutes or more. Absolutely amazing.
Actually we have Great Ape Sign Language which allows us to communicate with apes. Apes CANNOT SPEAK because they don't have the same vocal chords as us. The same way that we cannot speak whale...
As for animals speaking...
1. Kanzi, a Bonobo (Pygmy Chimpanzee, Pan paniscus), is believed to understand more human language than any other nonhuman animal in the world. Kanzi apparently learned by eavesdropping on the keyboard lessons researcher Sue Savage-Rumbaugh was giving to his adoptive mother. In further testing beginning when he was 7 ½ years old, Kanzi was asked 416 complex questions, responding correctly over 74% of the time. Kanzi has been observed verbalizing a meaningful noun to his sister. (therefore this is an ape who as learnt the language "indirectly")
2. Washoe a chimpanzee female would often utilise similie to express concepts that she did not know words for. Indicating the ability to jury rig language. For instance she would utilise the word for flower to indicate smell. This indicates logic since it is able to associate like a human.
3. There is reports of a juvenille orangutan capable of writing in english to express concepts using magnetic letters. As in make basic sentences and demands and descriptions.
This is ignoring dolphin and whale language which actually is vocalised.
Casey Powell...
Can you do calculus? Neither can my pet rock. You are as smart as my pet rock...
Find a monkey that can actually talk to me in English, then I"ll be impressed with Evolution's theory.
Fing me a talking snake. In any language.
Can you? There are people teaching, and learning from, apes. You're still throwing stuff at dogs.
Calculus is a late high school/early college topic. As far as I know (and I'm open to being proven wrong here), no human can naturally do calculus without any prior instruction in the field.
Dogs never went to school. They can do basic arithmetic because it benefited them as wolves to be able to keep track of how many wolves were in their pack, so they would notice when one of theirs went missing or they had an intruder. It also benefits them both as wolves and domesticated dogs to have exemplary social skills, a subset of which is good communication, verbal and nonverbal.
How does the ability to do calculus benefit a dog or wolf, such that they would have an increased chance of survival and reproduction?
I'm sorry, but the producers at Sesame street hardly count as Scientists, Lark.
Methinks you meant to type Creationists but typed producers at Sesame street instead. Hellofa mistake, Casey.
Find a monkey that can actually talk to me in English, then I"ll be impressed with Evolution's theory.
Again, you made one hellofa mistake by accidentally typing monkey instead of snake and Evolution's theory instead of the Bible.
Surely monkeys would have adapted to those selective advantages by now if Evolution were true, right?
But is it necessary ...Don't just go spouting off without knowing what your talking about. It's true old habits die hard, but...
can teach my dog through repetition to fetch a ball, but dog gone it...he still can't do Calculus.
And this is relevant to the rest of your post because...?
damn, how many definitions do fundies have for evolution now!? This is at least the first time I've seen the argument that evolution is the process by which all animals (and perhaps plants) gain above average human intelligence and undergo spontaneous physical changes to allow for speach recognizable by humans.
"Surely monkeys would have adapted to those selective advantages by now if Evolution were true, right?"
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
@FMG
Good post there.
May I also mention A.L.E.X. the parrot who was capable of understanding various concepts such as numbers, size, positioning, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)
Maybe some people evolved from Parrots then? OR HAV PAROTZ EVOLVED FROM UZ?!?!
fake edit: RIP A.L.E.X.
Find a monkey that can actually talk to me in English
I can teach my dog through repetition to fetch a ball, but dog gone it...he still can't do Calculus.
People have taught chimps to speak in sign language, and Bonobos can learn to understand some spoken English. Their larynx is situated too high in their throats to form words, but if it were lower, like ours are, they could most likely be taught to say a few simple words.
"Find a monkey that can actually talk to me in English, then I"ll be impressed with Evolution's theory."
What I would say: "Find a snake that can actually talk to me, then I"ll be impressed with Genesis' theory."
The irony is off the charts.
I'm sorry, but Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, and Ray Comfort hardly count as Scientists, Lark. Find a snake, a donkey, and a burning bush that can actually talk to me in English, then I'll be impressed with some of the claims in your book. Surely snakes, donkeys, and burning bushes could talk if your bible was true, right? Show me evidence of a world wide flood. Surely there would be evidence of this world wide flood if your bible was true, right?
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