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[Question: Creationists: when did SN 1987A explode?]

Well, since the world/universe is not much older than 6,000 years,we could say that it may have exploded anywhere within that period.
Also, it depends. How do evolutionists determine when a star explodes? Since they are obviously not at the site of the star, so how can they know exactly how far away it is simply by looking in a telescope? Or do they just make a wild guess? I would assume that they would extrapolate based upon how far away it is, then divide it by the speed of light, but there are a couple of assumptions that have to be made -
1) How do they know how far away the star is?
2) Is the speed of light constant?
3) Evolutionists' dating methods of ANYTHING are based upon their preconceived, faulty geologic column. Any data that doesn't fit this preconceived system is thrown out - even if the data is factual.

If you can tell me what methods evolutionists use to date the explosion of a star, then I can tell you how a creationist would determine it. It all comes down to interpretation of the data.

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old comment by David D.G.

"How do evolutionists determine when a star explodes? Since they are obviously not at the site of the star, so how can they know exactly how far away it is simply by looking in a telescope? Or do they just make a wild guess? I would assume that they would extrapolate based upon how far away it is, then divide it by the speed of light, but there are a couple of assumptions that have to be made -
1) How do they know how far away the star is?
2) Is the speed of light constant? "

Good grief. If you REALLY are willing to accept the answers to these questions, read an actual science book sometime. I did, and I knew the answers to these questions by the time I was 11 years old (and I also knew that "evolutionist" was not a synonym for "astronomer" or a general synonym for "scientist").

~David D.G.

old comment by Beeblebrox

1) How do they know how far away the star is?

It's done by determining the parallax of the star. In most cases the distance measurements can be made to an error of one milli-arc second.

2) Is the speed of light constant?

Given that the light travels in a constant medium, yes it is. The speed of light affected primarily by its surroundings. In space it stays very close to its base speed of approximately 286,000 miles per second but is slightly slowed by the drag factor present in the form of space dust. Water and glass have a slight slowing effect as well. Diamond has the greatest drag on light; it reduces light to 10% of its usual speed.

If you can tell me what methods evolutionists use to date the explosion of a star...

"Evolutionists" have no real interest in dating the explosions of stars because IT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR FIELD!!!! EVOLUTION SCIENTISTS ARE CONCERNED WITH HOW LIVING CREATURES DEVELOP; ASTROPHYSICISTS AND COSMOLOGISTS ARE THE ONES WHO STUDY GALACTIC HAPPENINGS. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?!?!?!?

It's like these fundie douchebags have no conception of divisions of field of research.

old comment by John

"Evolutionists" don't determine when stars explode. That's the astronomer's job.

The distance was determined by observing the time it took for the light from the explosion to reach a nearby dust cloud. Then they measured the angle between the star and the dust cloud using Hubble. This gave them a triangle with the angle and the side opposite. The rest is high school trigonometry.

The speed of light issue has already been raised and shot down. Also, changing the speed of light affects our entire reality. For example, it changes the size of atoms. Could some bizarre scenario be invented to make the light reach us in 6,000 years? Of course. In mathematic, you can always find a formula that gives you an answer you chose in advance. Is it believable? No; it's just making stuff up out of thin air.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"Well, since the world/universe is not much older than 6,000 years,we could say that it may have exploded anywhere within that period."

Or we could actually use science instead of superstition to determine the actual date within a reasonable error margin.

"Also, it depends. How do evolutionists determine when a star explodes?"

I would think "evolutionists" determine when the star exploded by listening to the astronomers/astrophysicists who would actually know since it's their field.

"Since they are obviously not at the site of the star, so how can they know exactly how far away it is simply by looking in a telescope?"

You don't tell just by looking at it. I believe it can be triangulated to determine distance. There's likely more sophisticated methods though.

"Or do they just make a wild guess?"

Says the guy saying the universe is only ~6k years old.

"1) How do they know how far away the star is?"

Triangulation. Possibly the redshift. I'm not an expert in the subject so I can only guess.

"2) Is the speed of light constant?"

In a vacuum it is. If you think it's not then explain why.

"3) Evolutionists' dating methods of ANYTHING are based upon their preconceived, faulty geologic column. Any data that doesn't fit this preconceived system is thrown out - even if the data is factual."

I'm pretty sure that nobody is dating a supernova using the geological column.

"f you can tell me what methods evolutionists use to date the explosion of a star, then I can tell you how a creationist would determine it. It all comes down to interpretation of the data."

Yeah, right. Of course it does.

“Well, since the world/universe is not much older than 6,000 years,we could say that it may have exploded anywhere within that period.”
Such precision.

“Also, it depends. How do evolutionists determine when a star explodes?”
Evolutionists ask an astronomer.

"Since they are obviously not at the site of the star, so how can they know exactly how far away it is simply by looking in a telescope?”
Much the way ship navigators can tell the captain how far it is to the lighthouse without having to bounce off of it. Skill, training, technology, not being a dumbshit.

"Or do they just make a wild guess?”
No.

“I would assume that they would extrapolate based upon how far away it is, then divide it by the speed of light, but there are a couple of assumptions that have to be made -
1) How do they know how far away the star is?”
Parallax

“2) Is the speed of light constant?”
That’s not an assumption, dickhead, it’s one of the most tested constants in science.

“3) Evolutionists' dating methods of ANYTHING are based upon their preconceived, faulty geologic column.”
That’s geologists. And aging by strata makes a lot more sense than taking bronze age myths as factual for shits and giggles.

“Any data that doesn't fit this preconceived system is thrown out - even if the data is factual.”
DO you have an example of FACTUAL data being dismissed?
And what proof do you have that it’s factual?

“If you can tell me what methods evolutionists use to date the explosion of a star, then I can tell you how a creationist would determine it.”
Yes, creationism was developed as a reaction to science promoting an old earth, it makes sense you cannot answer a question until you know what you have to dismiss, first.

"It all comes down to interpretation of the data.”
Well, no. We interpret the data. YOU filter the evidence to preserve your conclusion.