[regarding LDS Apostle Dallin Oaks' recent remarks on anti-Mormon backlash after Prop 8]
[H]e is referring to the campaign targeting known and presumed Prop 8 supporters. This campaign sought to punish such supporters.
The purpose of punishment is behaviour modification.
And what is the behaviour that the "gay" jihad seeks to modify? Is it meaningfully comparable to burning people at the stake?
No, it is not. The behaviour in question consists in (1) advocating in the public square, and (2) voting for a legislative measure the punishers disapprove of.
That is it, and that is all of it.
You understand, it's not that they object to anyone being a Mormon; it's just that they don't want us being Mormons in public. When it comes to questions of public policy, we are supposed to be good little dhimmis and keep our beliefs out of the ballot box.
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"When it comes to questions of public policy, we are supposed to be good little dhimmis and keep our beliefs out of the ballot box."
First Amendment. Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion. Take your beliefs and shove them.
What's ironic is that in the 19th century, Mormons were fighting to keep the U.S. government out of THEIR marriages. The federal government wasn't too keen on polygamy and tried to make it illegal. Back then, the Mormons cried foul and maintained that it was religious persecution.
Not so nice when the shoe's on the other foot, is it, you worthless hypocrite?
If your beliefs require denying other people, who have done no wrong, a legal right, then, yes, they do need to stay out of the ballot box.
I was trying to think of something clever or funny to say about how the people who are persecuting think that they are being persecuted, but this is all I came up with:
Shut your hate spewing, bigoted mouth you motherfucking homophobic dick! Take your tie wearing, bike riding, jello eating cultists back to your Utah compounds and don't let the door hit you on your collective magic underwear wearing asses on the way out.
Needs some work...
That's rich, coming from a member of a cult that's so dishonest about its own history that every time there's a news story about the child-raping polygamist fundie Mormons in the compounds, it insists it has no relation to those groups, or that they are "splinter groups" of the LDS Church, when the truth is that those FLDS compound people are in fact practicing the original LDS doctrine as laid out by the con-man pedophile Joseph Smith, and practiced by prominent members of the mainstream LDS church well into the twentieth century. Polygamy is STILL part of official Book of Mormon doctrine, but now they're told they won't be practicing it until they get to heaven. How wholesome.
And yes, according to the Constitution, you damn well are supposed to keep your idiotic beliefs out of the ballot box, especially when it concerns denying equal rights to one group of people.
[H]e is referring to the campaign targeting known and presumed Prop 8 supporters. This campaign sought to punish such supporters.
The purpose of punishment is behaviour modification.
Dude, it's a boycott . As in, "No, people who vote to take away our rights and/or the rights of people we care about are not entitled to our business or our money." What is Pahoran suggesting -- that LGBT people be required to patronize businesses of heterosexual-supremacists? That the state institute a "gay tax" with the proceeds being sent to Mormons whose feelings are hurt because we object to their bigotry?
Okay, then how about if the rest of us do a little harmless "advocating in the public square" to get a law passed that prohibits brainwashed 19 year olds in white shirts and ties from going door-to-door to recruit unsuspecting people into their controlling cult, or one that prohibits people who live a "lifestyle" that includes magic underwear and an irrational fear of coffee from voting? After all, you wouldn't expect us to keep our beliefs out of the ballot box, would you?
You mean, the "gay jihad" have NO right to
I see. Only you MORONS have those rights.
You understand, it's not that they object to anyone being a Mormon; it's just that they don't want us being Mormons in public. When it comes to questions of public policy, we are supposed to be good little dhimmis and keep our beliefs out of the ballot box.
How ironic.
Go ahead, knock yourself out. And while you're busy doing that, some of the rest of us will be advocating in the public square to have the government revoke your cult's tax-free status due to its political activites.
I know it's a little late to be commenting to this, but I had to make my piece known.
I live in Utah. I was at the protest against the LDS church about their involvement with Prop 8. I can't speak for everyone there, however, my friends and I were there to protest to the fact that the LDS church put $8 million into the Prop 8 campaign.
How many people could they have helped with that money? How many people could they clothe? Feed? Shelter?
I think it's a horrible use of *tithe money* to support a proposition in another state. I don't protest them voting. That is their prerogative and their right. I just can't believe they wasted that much money on it when it could have been used to help people rather than prevent people in love from getting married just because it's against their religion.
I am shamed to say I used to be LDS.
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So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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