Ummmm...well the bible tells us that when Jesus comes back he will come back with the sword. It's not going to be all lovey dovey then. This is not going to be a pretty picture. Jesus would not tolerate law breaking when He was on this earth and I'm sure (since He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow) that He wouldn't tolerate it now. What an ILLEGAL is doing is just that, ILLEGAL.
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And as far as borders go, God set those up for Israel at one time and was adamant that they keep everyone else out of there. Israels downfall was that they didn't follow God's rule and let the other peoples stay. And it broke down their society. He went so far as to tell the Israelites to get rid of them by any means, including killing women and children. Please do not make God into this wimpy god. He is not. He is pure and just. Jesus did not come to be all love, like the hippies in the 60's. He came to tell the truth.
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"He went so far as to tell the Israelites to get rid of them by any means, including killing women and children."
"He is pure and just"
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Contradict much?
I believe you have a need to reassess your understand of the terms 'Pure' and 'Just', Ma'am.
And as for Jesus not tolerating law breaking, no gospel basis for that belief comes to mind, (except perhaps 'Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's'), especially given that Jesus Himself was, in fact, a criminal.
@anevilmeme:
My thoughts exactly.
Jesus did not come to be all love, like the hippies in the 60's.
I guess Kathe must have missed Matthew 22 while she was reading all the OT stuff about the Israelites killing people:
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The dude wore robes and sandals, had long hair, a scraggly beard, and preached things like kindness and stuff.
Yep. Totally not a hippie.
"Jesus-Claude Van Damme"
ROFL
Jesus 2:Judgment Day
It thought jesus fought against a lot of silly laws and rituals when he was alive? Like against animal sacrifice and imperial corruption?
Funny, wasn't Jesus supposedly crucified for, y'know, breaking the law?
How about laws that contradict each other, hm? Or does Jesus only uphold laws that Kathe likes? Hm...
"Ummmm...well the bible tells us that when Jesus comes back he will come back with the sword."
Let me guess. Pharisee Paul's Piss-Poor Pseudo-Prophetic Paranoid Propaganda?
A well-handled pikestaff trumps a sword, any day.
Wait a minute.
Is Kathe really arguing that our immigration laws are divinely ordained, when we happen to know that it was a whole bunch of pasty white dudes who wrote them and signed them into power?
Is he really saying that the federal government is an extension of God's will?
Jesus would not tolerate law breaking when He was on this earth and I'm sure (since He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow) that He wouldn't tolerate it now.
Jesus? You mean the guy who sent his accomplices... err, I mean his disciples to a farm with instructions to take the horse they'd find there? (or maybe it was a donkey, I'm not sure anymore) I thought that in Murikka horse-thiefs ranked slightly lower than child-molester... He also committed assault and battery against a group of merchants who were minding their own business and vandalized their stalls, destroyed someone's fig tree in a fit of insane rage(because the tree was NOT disobeying the laws of nature, in fact), sent his disciples to pick foodfrom someone's field on the Sabbath (theft + infraction to religious law), and so on...
Are you kidding me? In what twisted mindset is the killing of innocent children considered "just?" Lemme get this straight...
God: I'll kill your wives and kids because your government is encouraging outward expansion and failing, like many other empires in history. They have absolutely nothing to do with it, but ah well.
What do you care how Jesus comes back unless you really don't believe that your ass is gonna be raptured? Hell, the Jews under Joshua were the original illegal immigrants, they crossed the border illegally and then murdered the original landowners, so I guess Jesus tolerated it at least once. Somehow I don't think that the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans were let in by The Israelites, they pretty much came in on their own at swordpoint, so what the hell are you talking about?
Ok, when Jesus said "I came to bring a sword," he didn't literally mean, "I came here to start shit," he meant that he know his beliefs would cause conflict between people.
I can't believe I missed this the first time through...
"And as far as borders go, God set those up for Israel at one time and was adamant that they keep everyone else out of there."
Um, I'm pretty sure that God doesn't establish national borders. If he does, then he's not very good at it, since borders shift constantly in Eastern Europe & the Middle East.
Of course, you forget that those illegal immigrants are also his brethen, why is he going to favour the USA?, what is he supposed to do with the remaining 99% of the population?
@Manos, the Hands of Fate
The pigs seem odd because it's cruelty and theft (plus being kind to demons, unless he knew the pigs would die on contact and thought it was fun to play with their hopes) in one package, until you realize that pigs aren't good for anything except meat, so unless he'd accepted the conversion of a Roman pig farmer recently this counted as striking a proper Mosaic blow against the encroaching infidel. And if he had, the pigs /really/ had to go. No backsliding.
And don't forget, 'the law' means 'God-sanctioned rules,' so sources don't matter. Kathe's convictions do. And purity and justice are not in everyone's mind incompatible with being a total jerk to unpersons. Can even be the qualifier.
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