As for the interracial dating - we have covered that somewhere here on the Board before - and it is wrong biblically. Please do a search to find that topic.
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These people make me sicker with each quote I read from them. How the heck is interracial dating against the Bible's teaching? Just...ugh. (In case the question was not rhetorical:p)
When inter-racial dating was introduced back in the day, the arguments against it were identical to those of homosexual love today. Unlike homosexuality, however, inter-racial love is not condemned by the Bible, so the bigots took quotes out of context to fit their agenda. The prime example was how it was abominable for some reason to have two different breeds of oxen pull a plow, or whatever it was.
We covered that back in the fifties. They don't let that stop them. We covered homosexuality back in the Roman and Greek Empires, and now look at it.
Show me one verse that says interracial dating is bad, without reverting to the ancient Isreali laws in the Bible about dating outside the Isrealite tribes. That refers to culture, not race.
And in the Song of Solomon, one of the speakers is refered to as "black." Not because of race, but because she was out in the sun:
I am black, but comely. . .Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
-KJV, Song of Solomon 1:5-6
The NIV , CEV and many other modern versions translate the work as "dark" instead.
Also, one of the people I dated in college was mixed-race. Am I going to Hell, or just him? He is a freak of nature, after all. *gigantic sigh, roll eyes*
Oddly enough, one of the cutest girls I knew in my three years at a fundy high school was interracial. So, yeah, not really buying it.
Your not going to be able to find that old topic because Randy probably deleted it by now. Also, "I apologize. I worded that more strongly than I should have"
yup another apology for questioning only this time its to Mrs. Debbie. I like how she gives him a nice little speech on how he should respect his elders, now thats funny.
To find what?, that Moses have an Ethiopian wife and that the queen of Sheeba, who converted to Judaism, was Ethiopian too?
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Interracial is when the descendants from each of Noah's three sons date and marry. Each son represents a diferent race of people and each race is to stay within itself. There are only three races. Shem - the semites; Ham - the dark race; Japheth - um.. everybody else?
I'm so hoping one of their kids brings a person of color home some day.
Than again, I wouldn't wish them on anyone else, whatever their ethnicity, unless they were equally myopic scumbags.
Interracial is when the descendants from each of Noah's three sons date and marry. Each son represents a diferent race of people and each race is to stay within itself.
So, does that mean they each had a different mother, from a different race? Doesn't that contradict the whole argument?
Joules,
This is one of those times when the fundies believe in a form of evolution. Each of Noah's sons went their own separate way after the flood and brought forth a separate race, which due to genetic isolation over a long period of time (long in terms of human history as judged by the fundies not long in terms of what rational people think of as evolutionary time) became the thee separate races of humanity. It is a mystery where the Chinese came from.
I did a search (of the Internet in general, not T4C) on interracial marriage bible and the first four hits all say this has no Biblical support (the ban is on inter-religious marriages). The fifth hit did give a Biblical quote. That was "Stormfront", a racist white-power web site. They said "Genesis 28:1, says that the Canaanites (blacks) were the 'servants of servants'". "Blacks" was added by the editor - it's not in the Bible, and it's wrong: Canaan was the one son of Ham whose descendants definitely weren't black.
The remaining five hits on the page all said the prohibition was against marrying an unbeliever, not someone of another race. Several mentioned Numbers, where Miriam criticizes Moses for marrying an Ethiopian, and God, in anger, turns her "whiter" by giving her leprosy.
The Bob Jones University prohibition against interracial dating is based on the idea that anything that unifies people (races, nations, governments, economies) plays into the hands of the Antichrist and is against God's will as demonstrated at the Tower of Babel. See, as Bro. Randy himself has admitted, you can justify anything with the Bible if you try hard enough.
Each of Noah's sons went their own separate way after the flood and brought forth a separate race, which due to genetic isolation over a long period of time (long in terms of human history as judged by the fundies not long in terms of what rational people think of as evolutionary time) became the thee separate races of humanity. It is a mystery where the Chinese came from.
Ah, thanks McCulloch. Fundies making as much sense as always then.
Although - I always thought the three races were Caucasian, Negroid and Asian. (Not trying to be offensive here - this was what I was taught, and that was sufficiently long ago to be probably what passes for news in the fundie camp, I'd have thought.)
If you don't like racism,wife subjectivity,dominance over servants/slaves genetic ( my seed will be with my people), and condone homosexuality etc. then throw out all your bibles and rot in the ground when you're dead!
Marco: "If you don't like racism,wife subjectivity,dominance over servants/slaves genetic ( my seed will be with my people), and condone homosexuality etc. then throw out all your bibles and rot in the ground when you're dead!"
Nah, I'm going to keep my bible; reading it is what led me to be an atheist and it comes in handy for refuting fundies when they mistranslate/misinterpret (like claiming "fair" means white-skinned rather than simply "attractive").
As for rotting in the ground, if that's your choice, fine. I personally prefer that my dead body be cremated after all my useable organs have been harvested.
So when is she going to point out the Biblical passages supporting and explaining the "proper" mechanisms for slavery? Or did she already cover that somewhere on the board before, and we need to search to find that topic, except Bro. Randy deleted it?
So does that mean Tiger Woods could date anyone, or no one?
He can only date Halle Berry.
Poor guy.
Technically that Song of Solomon couldn't be said to condone interracial dating because given what we know about where Solomon lived, he and everyone around him probably was dark skin too. Of course this person seems to believe everyone in the Bible was white, which is of course very incorrect.
the \"living in the 19th century award\" ?
The nineteenth century was more progressive than Teens 4 Christ, at least by then we'd had the Enlightenment and the likes of Tom Paine. The nineteenth centruy also had JS Mill (who thought women should be liberated) and who would probably makes Teens 4 Christ shit bricks. And that's before we've even mentioned Karl Marx...
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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