The founders were united under one God so they could write the Constitution. The entire Constitution is inlaid with God and the Ten Commandments like little rubies. That is the very heart of the Constitution. If the Quaran set the foundation for the law and how we govern, gals would be stuck at home under Burqas. Where is the freedom in that?
Separation of church and state:
The government cannot interfere with religion, not religion cannot interfere with government.
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I'm reporting live from the grave of Thomas Jefferson, and listening very closely... yes... I do believe that he's spinning! Yes, folks, Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave. Now back to your regularly-scheduled fundie mocking.
Is what why we have to right to worship any God, or no God at all, without the government getting involved.
'gals would be stuck at home under Burqas'
Take a look at Teens-4-Christ, if the likes of Bro Randy had their way that'd be the case in the USA.
Let's see:
1. You shall have no other God, yada yada...: No mention of God at all in the Constitution.suppose so, but that's more about taking care of the children than honoring the parents. (I have a few choice words about honoring parents myself, but I'm not going to get into that.)
Frankly, there isn't enough there to draw a connection. The two legal systems are so drastically different as to make it safe to say that the few similarities are based on common sense more than anything else.
Almighty God: So powerful he needs mere humans to defend him from other humans who have the power "kick him out of a country running."
I'm reminded of my dad shooing dogs out of our back yard. "G'awn, GIT!"
Anarchy is the inevitable result if people aren't told what to believe?
Fortunately, not everyone is as weak-minded as the average fundie.
Do you honestly think a country could still continue without having anarchy because people don't know what to believe in?
Well, now that you mention it, Europe is becoming more and more secular and no one there needs to tell people what to believe. Notice that the countries with the biggest social and economic issues are the religious countries. Go figure.
Did NO FUNDIE ever have an American Civics class? Not one of them that posts over here seems to have any idea what-so-ever of what is in the US Constitution or about the Founding Fathers. That does NOT seem to stop them from wanting to show their ignorance and posting bullshit about them. It proves that while they all seem to want the Ten Commandments posted by the government, they don't read them(especially #9).
If the Quaran set the foundation for the law and how we govern, gals would be stuck at home under Burqas. Where is the freedom in that?
WTF? Did Vulcan#3 undergo a mind-meld with a rational person at the end of the second paragraph and then snapped back into fundie fucktardhood immediately thereafter?
Wow, so much FAIL in one place. It's a wonder it doesn't all just collapse in on itself.
THAT separation of church and state you are refering to is the twisted version used by liberals to kick God out of country running, when, to be quite honest, it is a dreadful mistake. It has never been explained to me why an omnipotent being needs special government sanction in order to enter or remain in any place, nor how "liberals" or anyone else can kick an omnipresent being out of anywhere.
Do you honestly think a country could still continue without having anarchy because people don't know what to believe in? Yes. In fact not being told what to believe by the government is a uniting characteristic of all the most prosperous and free countries in the world today.
The founders were united under one God so they could write the Constitution. The entire Constitution is inlaid with God and the Ten Commandments like little rubies.
Except neither actually appears in the Constitution. Also, the first amendment bars enforcement of four of the commandments. Three more commandments are not criminal offences, including one that's a cornerstone of our consumer society. You fail.
The government cannot interfere with religion, not religion cannot interfere with government. A smarter person might ask himself "What's the first thing a religious group might do once it has control of the government?"
The bible is not the defining document for the Nation or its laws, and never was. Christ on a motherfucking crutch, don't you bible babies know ANYTHING?
If you need a 'scriptural' source for the Constitution, I invite your attention to a January 1776 publication entitled, Common Sense .
No, really.
Thomas Paine's grave has been vacated. His bones are roaming the earth as we speak.
If the Quaran set the foundation for the law and how we govern, gals would be stuck at home under Burqas. Where is the freedom in that?
So he agrees with separation of church and state; just not separation of HIS church and state.
A smarter person might ask himself "What's the first thing a religious group might do once it has control of the government?"
Flatworm, the most dangerous thing about stupidity is its unpredictability, but I'm willing to bet that this hypothetical "religious group" would immediately split into any number of hostile factions.
@Caustic
No, that's the 2nd thing.
The 1st thing is suppress all rival religious groups. Once they're all eliminated you'll get the factionalism.
"The government cannot interfere with religion, not religion cannot interfere with government."
In much the same way as, when man and wife separate, he is allowed to come round and slap her upside the head, but she hasn't to get 'all legal' on him for doing it, perhaps?
Religion : You is my woman, gub'ment, and don't you forget it! You ain't evar getting it on with no other belief system while I'm alive, bitch!
I am surprised at the sheer level of wrong in all of that.
1) Yes. Any country would function better without superstition.
2) The founders were secular. Just because some of the commandments are reasonable doesn't mean they all are.
3) Nice way to redefine "separation" there.
With the exception of the first two commands, there is nothing inherently unique about the Ten Commandments. Basic moral laws like "do not murder" and "do not steal" have been the bedrock of society from the very beginning of history. Ever read the Code of Hammurabi? It reads a lot like the Torah laws, and Hammurabi got his from a 'god' too. I've never heard of a society at any time in history that actively encouraged murder, theft, or lying.
"THAT separation of church and state you are refering to is the twisted version used by liberals to kick God out of country running,"????????
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” As admonished by your jesus in Matthew 22.21, clearly supports a seperation between church and state
"Do you honestly think a country could still continue without having anarchy because people don't know what to believe in?"
[Separation of church and state:
The government cannot interfere with religion, not religion cannot interfere with government.]
Then it's not separation of church and state at all as the church intrudes into the state. This is just another spin by the fundie Mussolini wannabes who want their fascist beliefs to choke the concept of freedom in this country to death.
'The government cannot interfere with religion, not religion cannot interfere with government'
Can't have one without the other, jackass.
Here's my argument:
The prophet of the American Revolution, Thomas Paine, was a Deist from a Quaker background. He considered the bible to be a poisonous influence upon human civilization, and the god of Abraham to be a demon.
Prominent among the lawgivers of the new nation was Thomas Jefferson. I'm inclined to think he did his namesake justice by attempting to distill his own 'Gospel of Thomas' from that book of poison. His philosophy was nurtured by the wisdom of the ages, but he had absolutely no use for the god of Abraham.
The heroic leader of the Revolution, George Washington, was a Freemason, which essentially means that he was obligated to serve the advancement of the greater human principle. (By definition, this excludes the Abrahamic blasphemy.)
E PLURIBUS UNUM
"The founders were united under one God so they could write the Constitution."
- United?!? 19 of the Constitutional delegates refused to sign it after it was completed. And afterwards they had a hell of a time selling it to the nation (The Federalist Papers were not just written for giggles).
But then, ignorance of history seems to be the least of your problems.
"used by liberals to kick God out of country"
So man can kick your omnipotent god out of somewhere? So much for omnipotence. I guess it's because we have iron chariots?
"The entire Constitution is inlaid with God and the Ten Commandments like little rubies. That is the very heart of the Constitution."
So show us exactly where your god and the ten commandments are in the Constitution.
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