Amos Moses:
there is much "science" that is false .... not everything labeled as science is science ......... and just because a scientist says something does not make it science ................ and YES much of science YOU ACCEPT is FAITH .... because the truth is .... you have never confirmed any of what you have read as science ..... you JUST ACCEPT as a matter of FAITH that it is true .......... and you express that FAITH more than any christian .... what is faulty is what you put YOUR FAITH in .......... other men .........
FYI ..... God CREATED science .... and if science does not comport to His truth .... then it is a lie and false science ............

Bruce Wang:
No, God didn't create science. Of course your faith teaches you that but what nonsense. Science is science, it has no need of deities, real or imagined.
And when science IS wrong - which it is GLAD to be, since it just gets supplanted with better data and methodology - it is science itself that proves it so. Not religion.
There is nothing about my belief in science that is faith. Faith is something I don't have, nor would I ever turn to it for anything. When something is proven to be true with tests and so forth, then I believe it.

Amos Moses:
"Of course your faith teaches you that but what nonsense. Science is science, it has no need of deities, real or imagined."
you would not have any science without God who created a stable universe for it to be used in ....... without a stable universe there is not consistent results that could be obtained for any science .......... science is ONLY methodology .... it is neither right or wrong nor does it have any means of determining those things ........... so your statements are in error ..... and all you have about science is FAITH ............

Bruce Wang:
Science des not require God. Simply ask one of the millions of atheist scientists. Science is far more than methodology, we have cures to diseases because of science that God never gave us. We did that with science.

Amos Moses:
science does not exist outside of God .......... and God gave us science to do what you claim He did not ......... "atheist scientists" .... oxymoron and contradiction in terms ...........

Bruce Wang:
I assure you atheist scientists exist, and can effortlessly provide you with many examples.

Amos Moses:
yeah ... but still an oxymoron and a contradiction in terms ... there is no science, true science, outside of God .... and to exclude God from the evidence is only ERROR .... now they might STUMBLE into the correct science from time to time .... but their results are suspect as they exclude part of the evidence .... excluding evidence leads to error ..... and that evidence they exclude is God ......

Bruce Wang:
It isn't an oxymoron. "Jumbo shrimp" is an oxymoron. "Same difference" is an oxymoron. But a scientist who doesn't believe in a God makes complete sense. And they aren't ANGRY at God either, as people like you often claim. They just don't think there is a God there, they have several other ways to propose the nature of the world.

Amos Moses:
nope .... a "scientist" who ignores the EVIDENCE .... is NOT a scientist ..... and an "A-theist scientist" IGNORES THE EVIDENCE of God ...... and his observations are in error ..... and because he IGNORES THE EVIDENCE ...... he is NOT A SCIENTIST ....... and that does NOT make any sense to call him what he is not ............