Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that homosexual activists will purposely seek out the most conservative churches they can find as a target. The activists know they already have those other denominations/churches in their clutches; they need to infiltrate and destroy the ones that actually are Bible-based and adhere to the Bible. They will just go around to all the churches that received the "warning" letter the most conservative churches received just prior to the 2012 election, warning them about politicking from the pulpit, and demand to be married there. They already know which churches these are, courtesy of the IRS and Barry Lind. When the church refuses, which my pastor has very strongly stated he would, then they will file a civil rights violation with the feds. Eric Holder, anyone?
It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity.
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Beware of any organization that uses the illusion of persecution to motivate its members. This also applies to the Tea Party, Libertarians, Cleveland sports fans, the Republican Party, and Donald Trump.
How many times do we have to go over this? Marriage is not a Christian institution or even a solely religious one. This is not about Jesus, and more to the point not about you. Quit trying to make yourself to be a martyr because simply existing in the same space as other people fills you with pointless fury. Granting the same legal recognition, tax status, and social benefits to same sex couples requires you to give up nothing, grant nothing you don't already give, and change nothing about your religion itself. All you have to actually do is stop actively attepting to exert control over people who disagree with you. Jews can't stop you from working Saturdays and praying to the Lawd or the Superbowl on Sunday and I expect you to recognize that as a two way street. You can't deny gays the same rights as straights.
It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity.
OK, one last time. Repeat after me:
Not. Everything. Is. About. You.
Now, get over yourself and shut up.
Who can forget Jesus stirring words "Love thy neighbour unless he's gay", and "Do good to those who would harm you, unless he's gay."
Great stuff, great stuff.
And from there it's just one step to taking away all property from Christians and rounding them up in concentration camps. Your persecution complex is showing.
It was never about the destruction of Christianity. It is about wanting to be accepted as equals by Christians and everyone else.
Why would teh gheys even want to have anything to do with your bumfuck churches in rural Mississippi or even worse?
I love the way you admit that it's only about Christianity, though. It implies that you aren't about love and marriage either, just about winning some battle. You are only making enemies out of people via projecting. "I wanna spread my version of religion, so if someone disagrees with me he must have the same reason I do. Raaaawr! War!"
Why would they want to get married in a church that hates them anyway?
And what about gay people who get married in a secular ceremony, or a Jewish or any other variety of religious marriage ceremony? How are they out to "destroy Christianity"?
Why would they want to get married in a church that hates them anyway?
They don't. They want the feds to disband the. church for refusing. As has been said countless times, nobody is born with a worthless sex drive; the whole point of the gay agenda is that it's something God said not to do.
No church "has" to marry anyone. It's not like random people can walk in off the street and demand that a pastor marry them when he doesn't even know them and they don't go to that church. Catholics have been refusing to marry anyone who doesn't meet their standards for years and years. Divorcees, non-Catholics, mixed religion couples, are all traditionally refused.
"It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity."
Right-wing fundamental ist Christianity. It was never about love for your fellow man ...:
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...it is about the destruction of anyone not exactly like you .
The Civil Rights Movement of the 20th Century. The Civil Rights Movement of the 21st Century. Race. Sexuality. Nope, not seeing any difference there.
It's hilarious that these idiots don't realize that in most people's minds, the right to get married has absolutely nothing to do with churches or religion, and that gays have never made any demands involving churches.
Why would they want to marry inside of your fuckhead churches any way?
Do you really need to choke up time in your life by fabricating useless conspiracies over petty matters, and reaching irrational, over-dramatic conclusions? I mean, Jesus Christ, go be an actor or some shit.
What people don't realize when they read these sort of things is this:
Why would Carrie think gay people would purposely seek out conservative churches and so on? Because she would if things were reversed, and she automatically assumes anyone else would too.
Sometimes, what people accuse others of is a great indication of what they would do.
No US church can be forced to marry someone against its rules. That would violate the Free Exercise clause of the Constitution. In fact, churches can't even be prevented from firing lay employees who violate the church's religious beliefs. A Baptist church's social services office fired a lesbian therapist and a RC school fired an unwed teacher who became pregnant. No law stopped them.
The only time churches get into trouble is when they rent facilities to the general public (not just to their own members). Then they fall under the same rules as any other for-profit business and can be forced to rent to gay couples on the same basis as anyone else in states that have rules forbidding discrimination against gays (the Federal government and most states do not).
You so badly want to be persecuted don't you? You're screaming because nobody is, and you can't stand it, can you?
So you try to provoke people into doing it so you can point at them and say how evil they are, and how they are picking on poor little innocent you. You hope if you do that you will garner support for your bigotry and it will get passed into law.
You are pathetic.
they need to infiltrate and destroy the ones that actually are Bible-based and adhere to the Bible
If gays and lesbians were to infiltrate the churches, what was stopping them before DOMA was struck down? And which churches are Bible-based and don't adhere to the Bible or adhere to the Bible but aren't Bible-based? On second thoughts, don't answer that; those descriptions pretty much fit any fundamentalist church I've ever seen.
Why would you bother bringing your friends and family to a place where everyone hates you? What would the point be? I'll give you a clue; the Netherlands has had same-sex marriage for 12 years now. It also has its own Bible Belt. So far, not a single same-sex marriage has been demanded from a fundamentalist or traditional Calvinist church.
And if you want to use the church as a political platform, that's fine. Just pay your taxes like everyone else.
Except that all gay marriage laws exempt religious institutions from performing a gay ceremony.
This isn't going to happen for another reason. To be quite honest, if you weren't depriving someone of their rights or trying to force your mythology on other people, you folks would be beneath anyone's notice.
Well, DUH. One doesn't confront those who are sympathetic to one's position, one confronts those who are against one's position.
"It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity."
Yeah, yeah, yeah, poor persecuted Christians. Gays don't love, they don't want to get married, they just want to kill off the Christians. STFU.
There is of course the little problem that churches would not be in violation of any civil right by refusing to marry same sex couples, if doing so violated their articles of religious faith, anymore than they would be if they refused to marry an interfaith couple, or a couple where one or both partners were divorced, etc.
they need to infiltrate and destroy the ones that actually are Bible-based and adhere to the Bible.
Pretty much all Christian churches are "Bible-based". The Roman Catholic Church, for example, says "These books [the Bible] are held by the Church as sacred and canonical, not as having been composed by merely human labor and afterwards approved by her authority, nor merely because they contain revelation without error, but because, written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, they have God for their author, and have been transmitted to the Church as such. (First Vatican Council, Sess. III, Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Chapt. 3, "On Faith", 1870).
I think what you mean is "adhere to my interpretation of the Bible".
" they need to infiltrate and destroy the ones that actually are Bible-based and adhere to the Bible."
According to your very own Bible (Matthew 6:5-8, for reference) that would be NONE OF THEM! Remember, Jesus described those who went to them as going only to show how holy they were...
"When the church refuses, which my pastor has very strongly stated he would, then they will file a civil rights violation with the feds."
And if they did, they would lose... because a RELIGIOUS ceremony is not a civil right. The STATE, LEGAL ceremony that they are now allowed to have? That is a civil right.
I'm so glad you fully understand what you are wittering on about... otherwise you might just say something that is complete bollocks and show you to be an ignorant bigot with a persecution complex.
Oh yeah...
News flash: "clutches" are evening wear. I would expect Gay * or Lesbian activists to keep "other" denominations/churches in handbags, fanny packs, or just plain old wallets during the day - assuming that you could fit one in there.
Also, if you find your church adhering to the Bible, might I suggest Goo-Gone?
No one will sue a church for refusing to perform a marriage that is against the church's religion. The church is well within its rights to deny marrying anyone that it chooses. I can't sue a catholic church for refusing to perform a jewish ceremony, or a mosque for not allowing a wiccan ceremony.
Furthermore, anyone that would try to sue such a church is incredibly stupid . The backlash from trying to force a church to perform such a wedding would set the cause back ten years.
Carrie Grace seems to think that churches are subject to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
If anybody tried to sue a church for discrimination, the case would get thrown out of court so fast it'd make your head spin.
This is either plain stupid or stupidly malicious.
On the day I got married to my partner of 40 years, I had no intention of crossing the threshold of any religious establishment. Marriage is a legal contract, so we got married in one of the country's Register Offices. It would be idiotic to go to a place where one was not welcome, and who would want to spoil their wedding day in such a way?
Besides, I do not believe that any church is compelled to witness the marriage of anybody. Oh, and that is all a church does, witness. It does not marry people. People marry each other by publicly declaring their capacity and will to do so. A church merely witnesses their marriage. It has no magical power to perform marriage. The Roman rite uses the phrase "...this sacrement, of which you, yourselves are the ministers..."
Except gays won't go to church to get married, just as I wouldn't. What's the point in having a "blessed" ceremony if I don't subscribe to this clearly hateful, bigotted and hypocritical nonsense?
People like you are the reason why militant atheists exist. Always projecting, always complaining. Get over it sister, seriously. Keep your bigotry and religion to yourself and let the grown ups handle these issues.
"It is about the destruction of Christianity. "
Good!
No offense to people such as liberal christian but I would like to see all religion disappear from the public square and have absolutely no influence on our societal decisions.
"It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity.
Right, just like how interracial marriage was about the destruction of the white race. Look what's happened since! No white people left.
Oh, wait, that's not true.
Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that homosexual activists will purposely seek out the most conservative churches they can find as a target.
The activists know they already have those other denominations/churches in their clutches; they need to infiltrate and destroy the ones that actually are Bible-based and adhere to the Bible.
But that would mean you weren't being persecuted, wouldn't it?
(Part 2, dammit...)
They will just go around to all the churches that received the "warning" letter the most conservative churches received just prior to the 2012 election, warning them about politicking from the pulpit, and demand to be married there.
They already know which churches these are, courtesy of the IRS and Barry Lind.
When the church refuses, which my pastor has very strongly stated he would, then they will file a civil rights violation with the feds. Eric Holder, anyone? It was never about love and marriage. It is about the destruction of Christianity.
Seriously, get the fuck over yuorself. Such arrogance...
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