I would drop her off a Bible and tell her to read the book of Revelation if she thinks that she or anyone can 'save' the planet. Resusable bags will make no difference. Jesus will make a new Earth and the old things will no longer be remebered.
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Anti-evolutions, climate change deniers, teabaggers, war-mongers, racists, anti-abortionists, theocrats, gun-nuts, Wal-Mart shoppers: All the same baby boomer trash.
Why not start with Genesis, where God tells Adam to take care of Eden?
Oh, wait, because that wouldn't agree with you.
Imagine spending days and even months making something for your child. Carefully crafting it, making it perfect, painting and everything.
Then imagine your response when the child says "but my daddy will just give me a new one. Any day now!"
Yeah...
@Alcari
So true. They love using it when they aren't the ones being put out, but the moment they are the ones being asked to DO something, suddenly the price is just simply too high...
Just proof that they cling to their faith because it allows them to be as lazy and apathetic as they want. Hell, the moment one of them stands up to actually DO something to better the world as a whole (And not by banning gay marriage or abortion, either) that person is almost invariably shunned. Sad, really.
Sadly most of the political leaders of the far right,poised to take over congress, agree
And this is why fundies are the scum of the Earth (literally!) Their entire agenda is based on destroying modern society by any means necessary. Since they have realized that they have no hope in destroying science and progress, they've decided that if they can't rule America and the world with an iron, theocratic fist, then no one can have the world to live in. Thus, their every action is based on destroying the natural environment, making it impossible for human beings to live at anything above the level of subsistence farming, so that education atrophies and they can control all humans forever more. Every move they make is part of an agenda to destroy modern life. That is not an exaggeration. That is a FACT. They are the biggest disgraces to humanity I have ever come across. Science has disproven their bullshit time and time again, on the Internet for everyone to see, no less. Thus, those who continue to spout such lies are completely without excuse. They are willfully ignorant, and as such, deserve the very hell which they threaten us with. When fundies are finally gone from the world, everyone else will celebrate.
"I would drop her off a Bible and tell her to read the book of Revelation if she thinks that she or anyone can 'save' the planet."
Why are you people unaware that simply because you happen to believe a fairy tale is true not everyone else does also?
That "the old things will no longer be remembered" element is particularly worrisome. (For the record, it seems to be connected with the idea of "God will wipe away every tear"--which sounds more like consoling and repair than infliction of amnesia.) If nothing of the past is remembered, if your memories are reset, then can it really be said that you are still you? Admittedly, I can't figure out what the difference between the mind and the soul is supposed to be, so this makes it even more irksome.
That such a reset is looked forward to also suggests an absolute dissatisfaction with...well...EVERYTHING about the physical world. Yet I cannot help but remember what Tertullian or Irenaeus (I forget which) had to say about Marcion's claim that the physical world and its creator were unalloyed evil, that a single wildflower should have proven otherwise to him. Where does such monstrous despair come from?
So, what's wrong with trying to preserve the planet in the meantime before Jesus comes back? After all, it might be a while. Oh, right, you somehow know for a fact that Jesus is coming back any day now.
My first thought was: "drop her off a Bible"?
I'll keep using reusable bags, irregardless...
"I would drop her off a Bible and tell her to read the book of Revelation if she thinks that she or anyone can 'save' the planet. Resusable bags will make no difference. Jesus will make a new Earth and the old things will no longer be remebered."
And once you'd done that, I'd advise her to 'recycle' said Bible (for a more practical purpose): keeping it for an emergency (as it inevitably does) when one runs out of bog paper (as I do; I have several Bibles I use specifically for this purpose!). After all...
The paper used in Bibles is sooooo absorbent!
>:D
What's printed in Bibles is nothing more than arse gravy anyway.
Jesus: Even more powerful than reusable bags!
The Old Things(TM) will no longer be remembered!
Jesus: The best kind of environment-saving amnesia money can buy!
Reusable tote bags are not sanitary, especially if you're transporting raw meat, because the juices can leak into the bag.
But I doubt that's why this fundie is annoyed.
Oh. Pretty much that whole thread is vintage RR.
"Seriously, though, it never ceases to amaze me the lengths and reasons people use to feel superior to someone else...AND to feel important. These are possibly the same people who would complain that Christians are too judgemental and preachy." - angelka71
Oooh, shiny!
"Oh noes! Bags that can be used more than once!"
Seriously, you are douchier than a Citroen Saxo with a badly fitted body kit.
Before you drop off that Bible, Julibeth, look up this passage:
"[God] made humans ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under our feet: All flocks and herds, and the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas," Ps 8:6-8.
If you're appointed by God to rule over this mudball, then perhaps you should start taking better care of it.
@ 1222027:
The stuff in bold is a parody of fundie claims about atheists. I really should have made that clear, and I apologize. No hard feelings, right? I don't really believe that all fundies are working to cause the collapse of modern civilization, and there are even some whom I enjoy having around, but the OP made such a mind-bogglingly stupid comment that the only way that I could respond was pure rage. Besides, other commenters here have made much more vitrolically hateful comments and get off scot-free, so I thought that I would be able to get away with it. Now, let's put this all behind us.
Reads RR thread...
That has to be as insane a thread as has ever appeared in the long, sorry history of idiotic Millennialist gibbering over at RR.
I very seldom swear and have never really subscribed to the PZ Myers policy of calling Rapturites 'demented fuckwits' to their faces but I think that thread has changed my mind.
I love how we're supposedly living our lives without purpose when they're the ones that believe that living for tomorrow's Earth doesn't mean shit because it's all gonna be destroyed by Jaybus soon.
What a shitty belief system.
Lisa Marie Fan: I think it's that they think our sense of purpose is MUCH too short-sighted (Well, usually. I know I'm not willing to disregard the far future just because of the distance. Distance and worthiness don't affect each other.). Most of us look to...what? Ten, twenty, a hundred, mayhaps two hundred years? For the RTC, that's much too short. Only looking to eternity, well past even when (if nothing changes) the sun has expanded through Earth orbit, is sufficient. As the tracts like to say, "Where will you spend eternity?". And since eternity will (somehow) necessarily be either infinite Heaven or infinite Hell...
I also note that the usual conceit is that Heaven and Hell are immutable; neither area's denizens will be able to make them any less glorious (former) or any less agonizing (latter). It certainly helps explain their low opinion of personal effort/works; they don't see a place in eternity for performing such works.
Even IF Jesus is about to show up and make a new world, shouldn't we get into the habit of taking care of the planet anyway? Will he make a third one if we fuck up the second? What about taking care of Eden? Shit, what about just being good guests? You don't just shit all over the floor because you know your host will have someone clean it up.
Clearly, the Lord our God has given us, His creations, carte blanche to do whatever we wish with this small blue dot. Knowing our awesome Lord like I do, and as He describes Himself in His Bible, does anyone really have any doubt that the Lord intends for us to act in as profligate and as right-wing a manner as we possibly can. Profit is the only Godly and true motive for we worshipers, and whatever destruction and wastage we cause in achieving profitable ends is holy and of Jesus.
Even ignorance and laziness is permitted to we surface dwelling God lice. As long we revere the authoritarian word of our Mammon worshiping pastors, then ignorance and laziness is next to Godliness.
Some lucky aviators among us will soon soar above the wreckage and the wasteland that is God's Earth as they climb majestically on their way to haunt their heavenly mansion. Adding their soiled underwear to the already noisome heaps that lay scattered over God's Earth. The sudden release of flatulent hindquarters will be hardly noticeable in the overall stench of the decaying planet.
Ah. The Book of Revelation. Actually, I second Juliebeth's recommendation. There is no faster way to realize that it is physically impossible to treat the whole Bible as literally true than the Book of Revelation. If I wanted to use the Bible to convert people to Christianity, honestly, I'd probably just rip out the Book of Revelation. It reads like Saint John of Patmos had a really bad trip. You could use it to motivate your kids to stay away from drugs--
"Now, see, son, this is why drugs are bad. Do you really want to see giant scorpion-horses, animals covered in eyes, and a third of the oceans turning into blood? Do you think you'd ever be able to sleep again? And worse, you might write down what happened and then people will hundreds and hundreds of years later after you've been forgotten, people will still be reading it and saying 'Jesus Christ, what the hell is this? Whoever wrote this was really, really fucked up!' as they role on the floor laughing their brains out."
Except that Revelation also says that everyone will be judged "according to what he had done." If Jesus really is coming back, I doubt he'd be too happy about how pollution and landfills have damaged a world that Genesis says he created as "very good."
But I'm not a Christian, so what do I know.
Okay, so let's say that Jesus really did create the world and everything in it. So basically, it's like we're renting the place, like a more permanent apartment, if you will. Now, you think a landlord would be happy if you tore up the walls, left the toilet clogged up, and threw your garbage all over the floor? Even if he's going to be a nice guy and fix it you're still an asshole for doing it. Now why in the world would you do that to Jesus? Do you really wanna be that much of a dick to him?
And beliefs like this is what makes people dangerous. They believe that Jesus will whisk them away to heaven and/or poof a new world into existence while any traces of the old world are poofed out of existence.
With beliefs like that, raptards see absolutely nothing wrong with polluting and otherwise destroying this planet we all call home.
Translation:
So why does it matter if you live at all? You're only going to die someday.
The writer of the revelation did wait in vain for the apocalypse (the name of the beast is Nero, you know, and he wanted the divine revenge to be brought upon the romans)
You, too, will wait for the apocalypse, but finally die without it happening. All your belief in it won´t change anything about it ;)
For the record, more liberal (sane?) theologians, like me, do not necessarily believe that the idea of a "new earth" refers to a literal recreation of the physical world. Rather, I would maintain that the idea of a "new heavens and a new earth" is a metaphorical image for the restructuring of society under the reign of God; a new world order, if you will (yes, fundies, I said it. Dive for the trenches and get your teabags).
It's interesting to note that in Colossians, Paul uses the same language to describe the present reality of the disciple - "If any man is in Christ, he IS a new creation; the old HAS gone, the new HAS come." To me, this indicates that the "new earth" is already, in some sense, a reality.
Interestingly enough, this reminds me of the parable of the talents. Three servants were given some resourses (money in the parable). The first servant put the resourses to work, and made a profit. Basically, he wisely used what he was given. In our example, we use our natural resourse, but replant what we can, and find alternate methods for those resourses we cannot. We find ways to reuse things rather than waste them. In this way, we leave the planet in a somewhat better condition then we received it.
The second servant put his money in the bank, earning interest. In our example, imagine a very low-tech, practically stone age society. They may not replant much, but then again, they don't use much. The planet isn't in a much better condition, but it's no worse, either.
Then there's the third servant. The one who hid his resourses and didn't do anything with them. In our case, people who just wantonly use and discard resourses. Strip mining, pollution, the works.
Guess what Jesus did to that third guy?
Further to Quantum Mechanic's quote I'd note Jefferson also wrote of Revelation;What has no meaning admits no explanation.
Not strictly true but any meaning Revelation has is in the context of first-century CE Rome and Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.
@ tmarcl, that's an 'interesting' re-interpretation of the parable. I'm not sure Jesus actually did anything to anyone because of it though.
@Solomongrundy
@ tmarcl, that's an 'interesting' re-interpretation of the parable. I'm not sure Jesus actually did anything to anyone because of it though.
I admit I kind of stretched the parable a bit. As for the punishment - Matthew 25:28-30
"28 “So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ "
It also appears I messed up on what the other two servants did. Apparently they both went out and increased what they had, without putting anything in the bank. It was the third guy that Jesus said should have put the money in the bank (as opposed to burying it).
Confused?
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