When a scientist can create an atom, then they can talk about faith being childish. And they can use no, pre-existing raw materials. They have to create all the raw materials.
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Electrons can come into being seemingly spontaneously. Once we figure out how that works and how to exploit it, we are a third of the way there! Though, of course, that wouldn't count for you, because manifesting an atom of nothing would be "pulling it out of Jesus-space" to you people, and you would oblige us to prove that we weren't merely summoning atoms from a higher plane of existence.
So, to put it frankly: your faith can be childish, regardless of whether people can recreate existence in a laboratory or not.
Now, if he was arguing against a claim that humans are more powerful than his fictional sky daddy, then I can see this as a somewhat reasonable challenge.
As stated, it's a horribly confused nonsequitor.
Poor fundy, you smell that? That's the smell of your fail...
So... until we can break reality, faith in reality is pointless?
Is that the same way one shouldn't trust an operating system until it crashes?
Is the BSoD the ultimate measure of trust?
In short, is he asking us to create something ex nihilo? If I even thought for a sexond he knew what he was talking about, I'd call this hubris, elevating man to the level of gods.
Of course, in this case, it's just somebofy else making an idiot of himself on the internet.
I believe that's what most fundies, and all thinking beings, would call "magic". And, unless done by Jesus, would be defined by most fundies as "Evil". And heck, even Jesus had a McFish Burger to start with when he fed the masses.
If PM's Ghost(sic) were smart enough to spell his name he would have his impossible challenges allow for, at least, a shred of practicality.
We've created atoms. Look up unununium.
@ Giveitaday
It depends how you define an atom. It's created antiprotons, which is basicly an antihydrogen-minus ion, for sure, but I doubt it's created a positron bound to an antiproton.
@ pete
That is the correct spelling of ghost.
EDIT:
Actually, I'm wrong. Lots of antihydrogen atoms have been produced.
You know people used to say "when a scientist can explain how the earth orbits the sun..." or, "when a scientist can explain the vast variety of life..." You'd better be careful there GoPM, those pesky scientists have ways of making this shit work.
Its already been said but CERN has made anti-hydrogen atoms, as neither anti protons nor positrons occur in abundance in this universe, the procedure necessitated the formation of these particles from pure energy.
Pair production.
NOW FUCK OFF.
Well, see, if you want your challenge to have any validity, first you'd have to prove that your god's ever created an atom.
AHAHAHA!!!
scientists can "create" raw materials in only one sense. they can take matter that already exists, and change it into other types of matter. fusion is currently highly impractical, fission is common, but doesnt actually create or destroy matter, and chemical reactions which simply switch out atoms or molecules for other ones. no matter is actually created in any of those processes.
"When a scientist can create an atom, then they can talk about faith being childish. And they can use no, pre-existing raw materials. They have to create all the raw materials."
CERN. Large Hadron Collider. Antimatter (Anti-Hydrogen).
Not even a fetus would consider 'faith' a logical part of one's mindset. Next question.
So...basically when scientists invent magic, is that what you're saying?
Oh, that's right, you think magic is real .
When you can cause an atom to come into existence through the power of prayer then we can talk about faith being valid. After all, your god supposedly created the universe. Creating one more atom should be nothing at all and it would be an extremely valuable evangelism tool. And, according to the gospel of John, your savior has n problem at all with performing miraculous signs.
Well Ghost, are your prayers up to the challenge or not?
Perhaps you have heard of the artificial element called plutonium?
It sort of works like this:
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I consider that a very convincing argument.
When you can show a god, any god, creating one single atom, then they can talk about faith being worth a shit.
Confused?
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