I believe the Ambulocetus existed, yet your belief that traits found in whales is proof positive that whales evolved from the Ambulocetus is pretty far fetched. Traits are not evidence for evolution. For even today we can find similarities in numerous animals that walk the earth. I have eyes and so does a crocodile. Does this mean I evolved from a crocodile?
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We have already given you the transitional forms between the four legged land walker and the whale. You just claim they are a seperate species or a carnival freak and not a real example.
Maybe it's because we see the large swimming creature with vestigal legs and say, "Hey look a transitional form"
and you say
"that's just a porpoise with horribly crippling arthritis. Where is the whale that walked on TWO legs? HUH?"
You are looking for stupid transitional fossils. (Crocoduck comes to mind)
Dear Campbell34,
Please stop pretending you know anything about evolution.
Sincerely,
P.S.: There's plenty of strange-looking animals out there already.
You cannot have a four legged animal one day, and a whale the next.
No, you can't. A good thing the ToE doesn't predict you can then. If fact, if such a thing ever happened it would completely disprove the theory of evolution.
Osiris wins an internets.
Aren't, y'know, ALL life forms "in transition," really?
". All I hear is evolution does not work that way. And yet, it would have to work that way."
Why do you bother? You already got your answer:
@Campbell34
All I hear is evolution does not work that way. And yet, it would have to work that way. has to work that way, then your understanding of the concept is deeply flawed.
The evolution belief is based on assumptions that can not be shown to be true,
Gee, we don't know ANYTHING else like that, do we???
A very old trick. When scientists find another transitional fossil, usually with just the "mix" of traits and in the age of rock expected, creationists just argue that there is now two missing links, between the discovery and the earier species, and the discovery and the later ones.
They would demand examples of every generation, all perfectly preserved and found in the same place in the precise order, as proof. And even if science provided one, they would claim there are "missing links" between each generation.
It is like asking someone to account for every second of one particular day from a year ago, and if they can't deciding that this means they are not more than 12 months old.
@aaa:
To a fundie, evidence is something written in a book that says "This book is true!". Sadly, fossils don't come out of the ground stamped "missing link between whales and land mammals", so they could be anything!
" I have eyes and so does a crocodile. Does this mean I evolved from a crocodile? "
No you fucking dumbass, it means you and crocodile have a common ancestor.
"Yet when you ask for that inbetween fossil, the one that would show two species, let us say at that 50% change. All I hear is evolution does not work that way."
Yet we have tiktaalic, archeaopterix and australopithecus. We win.
"You cannot have a four legged animal one day, and a whale the next. There would have to be some pretty strange looking animals out there. And such animals never find there way into the fossil record. Why is that?"
Because evolution doesn't work that way.
"All I hear is evolution does not work that way."
Let me repeat that for you, since you didn't get it the first zillion times. Evolution does not work that way!
Go read some books written by scientists and then we'll talk.
"I have eyes and so does a crocodile. Does this mean I evolved from a crocodile? "
I have blonde hair and so does my girlfriend. Does that mean my girlfriend is my mother?
Wait... that's considerably more likely in fundieland, isn't it?
Except the very name Ambulocetus means "walking whale". And yes, traits are evidence for evolution. You did not evolve from a crocodile, rather the crocodile and you share a common ancestor. YES, there is clear evidence in the fossil record.
Everytime scientists predict that an animal with certain traits should be found in particular geologic strata and then actually do something called "research" and then find said "transitional fossil" the creationist dimwits like Campbell34 just say that we now have two gaps where only one existed before.
Every animal can be considered transitional between what came before and what will come later.
Also, you are a douchebag.
You don't understand the concept of evolution, nor, I think, do you want to. Stay in your state of wilful ignorance, but reality isn't going to go away however much you rail against it.
I know how to get to the bottom of this. I'll use two methods and see which is the better.
First, I'll spend many years educating myself, specially in the sciences. Do research. Examine the evidences. Go out into the world to see things for myself. Examine things first hand. Perhaps make new discoveries. Consult the relevant authorities etc. At least I'll be able to either confirm or deny for myself the validity of the current body of knowledge.
Second, I'll read Genesis.
Hmmm? I wonder which of the two will yield the better understanding?
Only a very limited amount of the animals that ever existed has been fossilized. There have to be very special conditions for fossiles to form.
There are a few people born with their feet fused together in a fishtail-like formation. If that kind of mutation or malformation occured in a doglike marine-living creature, that would be very advantageous. The creature would be able to breed in larger numbers than its feet-having relatives, and in a few centuries the feets might be all but gone.
"Yet when you ask for that inbetween fossil, the one that would show two species, let us say at that 50% change."
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And did he just ask, 'why don't we find things in the fossil records that we find all the time?'
Because five beers is better than stupid anytime
All I hear is evolution does not work that way.
Let me give you some advice. If someone who knows more about something tells you that that something doesn't work the way you think it does, rather than tell them that they're wrong, find out how that something is supposed to work.
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