[Reply to a poster say that he/she didn't believe the Noah's Ark story wasn't literal]
The universal flood and the Ark of Noah cause problems for you because you deny the Word of God and choose not to exercise faith in God.
Why does 2+2=4? Who knows. It just does. How did God assemble all the animals and feed them? Well, God knows, but then again, He's God. There are a number of possible explanations, but listing them would be pure speculation. The simple fact is that you have chosen to not believe in the written account of history.
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That which we can't explain may be:
Fundies have it easy; they squeeze it all into one category.
He doesn't understand that adding two items to two existing items will equal four, but he's more then willing to devote his life to myths.
Everytime I think he's gone as low as he could go, he proves me wrong.
So Randy unless all the bible is literally true you'd lose your faith in God? I've got some bad news for you about 4 legged insects, bats, pi, et al.
Funny how so many Bible-oriented Christians forget that Jesus and His apostles and the early Christians didn't HAVE Bibles! The institutional church gathered various books together, interpreted them definitively, and gave us the Bible that we now have. Before this, the Church looked to sacred tradition, custom, and Church fathers for guidance.
The Reformation was based in part on the right to think for one's self, be true to one's heart, and employ reason, which is a gift from God. So much for that.
Randy might be a biologically mature adult, but his rationality is stuck at age 4, or whenever his elders introduced him to god.
"god knows everything...I don't know jackshit." This is the essence of fundy education.
Your myths don't count as history, Randy.
Never have, never will. Quit deluding yourself.
2+2=4 is true by definition of the words. It's a tautology, like saying "hypertension is high blood pressure"
"The simple fact is that you have chosen to not believe in one of the hundreds of written accounts of history." There. Fixed. (well, not completely - I didn't fix the split infinitive)
so apparently unless you take every single solitary speck of rubbish in your economy sized book o'ancient myths literally, you're a baby spearing, goat sacrificing, blood drinking, black cape wearing, curse chanting, democrat-voting, gay rights supporting, feminist, evil, heathen, pagan, communist, nazi LIBERAL ATHEIST.
did i miss anything?
2+2=God Brother Randy? based on your logic, this appears to be exaclty what you're saying. Mathmatical absolutes do not constitute infallible proof that the Almighty exists. Unless of course you're Brother Randy surrounded by a bunch of unenlightened teenagers with no imagination. Then they just nod their heads obediently and make an "Oooooooh" sound.
Okay, I'll bite the hook. If God could do all of that just by snapping His fingers and having a miracle occur, why did He need to have Noah build the ark instead of just working a slightly bigger miracle?
An elegant proof using Giuseppe Peano's axioms at this site :
Working in N as defined by the Peano axioms, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms eg.
We then have 0 and a successor operation.
1 := S(0) and 2 := S(1), 3 := S(2), 4:= S(3)
Definition of addition, by recursion (well-defined by the 5th axiom)
Definition of multiplication:
So 2 * 2 = 2 * S(1) = 2 * 1 + 2 = 2*S(0) + 2 = (2*0 + 2 ) + 2
And 2 + 2 = 2 + S(1) =S( 2 + 1 ) = S( 2 + S(0)) = S(S(2 + 0)) = S(S(2))
An elegant proof can be found here:
Working in N as defined by the Peano axioms, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms eg.
We then have 0 and a successor operation.
1 := S(0) and 2 := S(1), 3 := S(2), 4:= S(3)
Definition of addition, by recursion (well-defined by the 5th axiom)
Definition of multiplication:
So 2 * 2 = 2 * S(1) = 2 * 1 + 2 = 2*S(0) + 2 = (2*0 + 2 ) + 2
And 2 + 2 = 2 + S(1) =S( 2 + 1 ) = S( 2 + S(0)) = S(S(2 + 0)) = S(S(2))
Crap, didn't mean to post twice.
Anyway, I doubt that Bro. Randy could follow this anyway, given that he probably can't count to 11 without taking off his pants.
I am a Christian, but in looking over his posts I can say with confidence that he and I would not get along.
Is that a cult? Or is he just on a power trip?
If Noah's Ark was 450 feet long, and one of the longest wooden ships in the world at that time was 341 feet (Caligula's Giant Ship) not even to mention that the Wyoming (which was 329 ft, made in the 19th century) was reinforced by steel bars still sunk, then how did Noah's ark survive the global flood?
To be honest Bro., if youc an claimt he Bible is anywhere near real, Lord of the Rings becomes just as real, since if I remember right Middle Earth is some hecylonian age or however you spell that.
Same with Conan, when I think on it. Both settings are as valid to the history of the world as the Bible, though.
And stuff.
It's called metaphor, Bro Randy. Jesus used them.
Jesus: "My metaphors, let me show you them."
everytime i look at bro. randy's sayings, i loose faith in humanity as a whole... the same things happen to the really stupid fundies, too...
@brutus- i'd say it's a cult...
If by "written account of history" you meant "nonsensical bullshit", then, yes, I have chosen not to believe.
My father or uncle (can't remember which), knowing I hated not-knowing things, explained the expression to me as a child, and its proven itself quite correct ever since.
"YOUR ignorance, is THEIR bliss", with them being whoever's wanting to have you believe anything they want.
"How did God assemble all the animals and feed them? Well, God knows, but then again, He's God."
And that would be a super-neato, peachy-keen explanation if only you could show the existence of God. Without proof of God, that explanation is just butt-bubbles in a bath tub.
Gee, how many times can he explain inconvenient, contradictory facts in his Bible away by saying, "because he's God", before even the most naive sheep wakes up to the fact that he doesn't know anymore than they do!
Mr Randy, once again you condemn yourself and your minions to the eternal fires of hell. You a “Christian” using the devil’s digits, the digits of Mohammed, those Arab numerals. Surely it is right and proper to only present your philosophical conundrum in the proper Christian manner, ipso facto
II + II = IV
Why does 2+2=4?
Such profundity, so leaving the discipline and logic of linear algebra behind (algebra being another of those Satanic arts practiced and inflicted upon good Christians by the Arabs).
Well lets see
.mmm, it doesn’t equal I, or II, or III or V or VI or
(n+I) where n = any number, (real imaginary, complex, transcendental
., and Christian of course) so by elimination ( and I recommend that you don’t take my word and that you carry out the exercise on all numbers) it must be IV.
Helpful Hint, the “book of numbers” contrary to what the title indicates, is not a mathematical treatise.
@Ambrelle- everytime the words 'amen, Bro Randy' are are said, God kills a kitten. He used to kill sabertooth tiger kittens, but they became extinct for obvious reasons.
(quote paraphrased from Uncyclopedia)
Teens-4-Christ, at the very least this section of the site, is fucking intellectual poison. Its poisoning the mind of so many young people with utter BULLSHIT. Its aggravating that I cant sign up for it. Does anybody know of an email service that Teens-4-Christ accepts for the signups? ImaSaved1 is fucking liar and a hoax. I usually don't throw around such coarse language on the topic of this, but seeing those forms is like watching a child get molested. These are 15 year olds with real fucking questions, getting the wrong fucking answers, and getting them confirmed by their dumbassed peers, parents, and preachers.
Why does 2+2=4? Who knows. It just does.
Really. You're gonna go with "who knows" on the question of why does 2+3=4. You're going with "Who knows." Really. Are you sure?
And so we see the final result of IFB homeschooling. Adults who do not know why 2+2=4. 'Nuff said.
Fixed the above post. Please disregard my ham-fingered typo in the numerals.
Why does 2+2=4? Who knows. It just does.
And so we see the final result of IFB homeschooling. Adults who do not know why 2+2=4. 'Nuff said.
Gobear: "Anyway, I doubt that Bro. Randy could follow this anyway, given that he probably can't count to 11 without taking off his pants."
and to 21 if he took off his shoes...
then again, he probably can't see his feet.
II is two.
Count.
So heres the proof where 2+2=4.
Written account of history? FUNDIE! Tell me why are there so many friggin' contradictions, not from other sources, but from ITSELF! Someone needs to check to see whether the lobotomy paid off.
Why does 2+2=4?
It's a good thing I read 1984!
Now 2 and 4 are just symbols to which we assign given values. Therefore 2 items plus another 2 items will equal 4 items. This whole line of thinking is why it is possible actually doublethink in terms of mathematics...But that would probably go beyond you.
> Well, God knows, but then again, He's God.
> Why does 2+2=4?
> There are a number of possible explanations, but listing them would be pure speculation.
> The simple fact is that you have chosen to not believe in the written account of history.
"Why does 2+2=4? Who knows. It just does."
anyone who believes this should not be allowed to talk o children.
*headpillow* < a desk is to hard ;-)
"Who knows."
Everyone but you.
Why is Bro. randy such an idiot? Who knows. He just is. How did Evolution allow mankind to get smarter yet produce such an idiot? Well, there are a number of possible explanations, but listing them would be pure speculation. The simple fact is that he has chosen to believe in things without any evidence.
Confused?
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