[Arguing that plants aren't alive]
Young earth critics like Hugh Ross say there was death before Adam sinned because plants died in order for Adam to eat.
Before we decide if there was death before sin we need to define what life is. Plants have neither the "breath of life" nor blood so they cannot "die" in the same sense that man and animals die. God said that He gave plants to man and animals to eat.
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-"Before we decide if there was death before sin we need to define what life is. Plants have neither the "breath of life" nor blood so they cannot "die" in the same sense that man and animals die. God said that He gave plants to man and animals to eat."
Plants have neither the "breath of life" nor blood
If you syphon all te fluids out of a tree, the tree dies. So they have something similar to blood.
God said that He gave plants to man and animals to eat.
He also gave animals to man to eat. Are animals alive?
>>"No life forms come forth out of the earth. Animals always come from parents of the same kind."<<
Plants don't breathe?Gaaaaack! (turns blue and keels over)
In other words, yes, Mr. Hovind, plants do breathe, and it's pretty important for us that they do.
Irene
Right - so if you put plants in a room that has no carbon dioxide they wont asphyxiate? And if you water your potplants at the base and never wash any dust off their leaves they wont asphyxiate either? And any animal that doesn't have a lung doesn't breathe either? And bacteria and single celled creatures that absorb what they need via osmosis aren't alive either?
* What on Earth happened to - you can eat some leaves off a plant without killing it (unless you an asshole ecoterrorist, environmental pest like a cow that pulls the whole thing up by it's roots)*
Hovind doesn't care if anything he says makes sense; he wants to convince his audience of creationism, and will say whatever random gibberish he thinks will advance his cause. The fact that he's laughably wrong doesn't matter, because that's how he makes a living.
Plants breathe oxygen like an insect does - by directly absorbing it. They also release oxygen during the day while they are photosynthesizing, but that's a separate process.
This man who dares to add the term "doctor" to his name, and who claims to teach "science," has a poorer science knowledge than a decently educated fourth-grader -- or at least he has rejected whatever science knowledge he ever learned and has replaced it with his own screwed-up fantasies.
Shouldn't this guy be in jail?
So, wait. According to this new creationist definition of life, wouldn't most insects be considered "non-living"? I mean, they don't have red blood, they have a sort of whitish-yellow blood. What is alive?
Chrisoya: Thanks for that link; that's a hilarious item that should be imported for exposure here as well, if possible.
I checked that site on squid. The word "masturbiblation" has just become my new favorite word.
Yes Dave, but you should not feel bad. Mrs. Butterworth sheds her precious blood for your pancake sins.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY, Kent?
"Didn't he used to be a science teacher? I mean what the fuck?"
Plants have neither the "breath of life"
Really, Kent? I have an experiment that should decide if plants breathe or not, and I'm willing to stake $250,000 on the outcome. First, we'll take a plant, and put it in a huge freakin' pot of miracle grow, right? Then we'll attach a drip irrigation system to the side of the pot. Then, we'll put the whole thing under a dome of glass. I think it will wither and die within a few days after the CO2 runs out. Further, I'll make an additional bet that, if we light a candle, and place it under the dome along with the plant, while the plant is withering, but not yet dead, it will recover. By your reasoning, neither situation should affect the plant. Come on, you're so sure you're right about evolution that you're willing to wager $250,000, right? Why not on this, if you're so sure the bible is correct?
nor blood
Lots of living things, including most animals, do not have blood. Practically all have some sort of analogue for blood, though. As do plants.
so they cannot "die" in the same sense that man and animals die.
Right. They wither and rot, but they don't die .
God said that He gave plants to man and animals to eat
Really? The bible says it, but I haven't heard god speak on the subject.
There's no way known that turd has a CHR of 18, he'd be about a 10. He makes my skin crawl.save vs INT against Feeblemind , or be cast under his spell and believe he has a CHR of 18. Standard D&D rules apply where a save, reduces his CHR by the increase, bringing his CHR down to a 2 also. Needless to say, his and your INT bonuses are added to the roll - effectively if your INT is 14 or higher it is impossible to fall under his spell.
I also have a Protection from Bullshit 10' radius charm too!
(and no I don't play D&D)
Plants have neither the "breath of life"
So a plant won't suffocate if you remove its source of CO2?
I always knew that Hovind was an idiot but this level of stupidity is unbelievable.
I think it's best if Kent-boy continues as he is going. That way, not one person on this planet is going to believe a word he says, in a very short space of time.
Edit: From Chrisoya's linky: "masturbiblation" My new favourite word of the week. :)
Well, I have to agree with extrapolations from Hovind's point here. Abortions don't kill anything till week 16, at the earliest. Life doesn't begin at conception, it begins at breath.
This is nothing but human-centric arrogance, similar to vegetarians saying plants have no souls so it's okay to eat them. If humans are alive and possessing souls, then so are plants, animals, etc. Everything has a right to be here. And someday, you'll be feeding some of those 'lifeless' creatures and plants, whether you want to or not.
It is quite amazing how much wrong some fundies can pack into a few sentences. Adam never existed, death has been around for as long as life, plants are living things, and Kent Hovind is a moron of the first order with a Ph.D which is worth less than a ticket for the Costa Concordia's 2013 Christmas cruise.
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