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The parodies of these and all the AIG cartoons are better.
Isn't parodying these redundant? I mean, it's not like there's any way they could get further detached from reality.
They chose a fish as symbol because of the greek word for fish. Ichthus, which could be used as a acronym which means something like "Jesus Christ God's son is saviour."
But they probably stole it from another religious group before "inventing" the acronym. They are pretty wel known for doing things like that.
Indeed, I can think of quite a few ways to mock someone with my hands/arms, but legs....
Theironpaperclip, perfect rebuttal but does that mean that, since the bear is my totem animal, I have to (yuck!) eat fundies?
The Darwin fish was a clever retort to creationist beliefs of biblical literalists, represented by the ichthus (my late companion, a fundie, found it tremendously irritating).
So it was with considerable chagrin when some clever fundie came up with a topper much better than this silly cartoon: a small Darwin fish being swallowed up by a larger ichthus bearing the word TRUTH in big letters.
As vexing as it is, since it is a display of monstrous hubris and the ultimate in falsehood (directly declaring lies to BE truth), I have to admit that it is clever.
If only the few clever fundies would use their intelligence to break the shackles of their brainwashing and help their fellow fundies to do likewise. They don't have to quit believing in God; the just shouldn't swallow every scrap of the Bible as literal truth "hook, line and sinker." (Props to Scott for suggesting that metaphor with his parody of the cartoon.)
~David D.G.
Ever the researcher, I did some looking around on the net for fishy information. Here you can read a bit on the fish symbol's origin ; and here you can read up on a very fishy story ; lastly, you can find all manner of xtian symbols that were taken from pagan symbolism but you can start here with the pagan fish .
If it weren't for the xtians constantly getting in my face and forcing me to drag out the proof, I'd not find even more information showing their religion as just a myth. Have to thank them for that, at least.
Can't say I do, I just thought it rather amusing that they decided to appropriate that particular symbol. Kind of like mistletoe (read: symbolic of bull testicles).
One thing that I find terribly amusing is the gigantic yoni/fish outside a local church. They have it oriented vertically, so it's even being displayed "properly".
You can make two symbols do anything you want them to, but the things that they represent, there is only proof of one of them. So when non-existant jesus comes along and ACTUALLY makes Darwin bow to him, give me a call.
DAVID DG.~ Drat! You stole my cheesy one liner! Drat, a thousand times drat!
If I recall, the "yoni" symbol actually isn't related to the choice of the Fish as a symbol for Christians.
My memory of it is this: the greek word for fish and the Greek word for Christ, Christhus, were almost identical in their lettering with the exception of an additional rho in Christhus. In addition, fish are mentioned numerous times in the gospels - Jesus calling fishermen to be "fishers of men" and Jesus feeding crowds with fish, etc. These facts made it logical to choose the fish as a "secret sign" for Christians to identify each other. The symbol was easy to draw or trace, with hand or with foot, and because it would have no meaning to non-Christians, two Christians meeting in the street could identify each other by simply scraping a crude fish symbol in the dust... if the other person wasn't a Christian it wouldn't mean anything, but if he was a Christian the two would be able to recognize this safely. This, of course, was needed in an era where Christians were heavily persecuted, and any overt displays of Christian following would land you in prison, waiting to be executed.
MK, I've heard that "fish tale" too (sorry) about casually drawing a fish symbol in the dust with one's toe to use as a sign/countersign with potential fellow Christians, but has it been actually documented? To me, it feels very much like some of the very plausible-sounding but totally made-up "history" presented by overly enthusiastic armchair historians -- not least because it's just as useful as an easy way for the authorities to bait and trap Christians, since no secret recognition symbol remains secret forever (as this shows, if it is true).
~David D.G.
@Bob_Zimmerman
One thing that I find terribly amusing is the gigantic yoni/fish outside a local church. They have it oriented vertically, so it's even being displayed "properly". Damn, you'd be tempted to waterbomb it with red dye once a month until they twigged wouldn't you.
David,
IIRC, the oldest fish sign found related to christian cults is in the Rome catacombs, were it is believed early Christians met for prayer and worship. The fish symbol is inscribed in the walls, and indeed for the longest time it was more important than the cross symbol as representing christianity. Never heard the whole "drawing on dirt" story, but I believe that the use of the fish was fairly common in the Roman Empire during persecution times.
Nameless
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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