No one can detect gravity or what it comprises. But we know it exists because of the affect it has on material elements. Similarly with spiritual entities such as souls. We can't detect them directly, but we know they exist because they can impart conscious acts of will on an otherwise physically deterministic universe.
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Read your post again, Alan. "We can't detect them directly, but ... "
We CAN detect and measure the force of gravity. We don't see it or smell it, but we can measure it. It's a real thing that acts on other real things.
Rainbows don't physically exist:
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But the effect tiny droplets of rain suspended in the air after a shower have on sunlight can be seen . Can you explain this?
Because if you can: and what elementary school children can replicate with even a squirt bottle & a mist nozzle in a sunny day, then so much for the so-called 'Spiritual'/'Supernatural'.
'Souls' must physically exist too. So show us, Al.
That Nobel Prize is yours for the asking. Strange then, how nobody like you has won such an august award, eh...?!
... later in the thread ...
The physical laws and material properties of our universe can define the logic of cause and effect events, but you can't presume to know how spiritual entities work.
Where "spiritual entities" "presumably" means souls, which Alan has yet to demonstrate actually exist.
Time is a property of this physical universe - it is not necessarily applicable to the spiritual dimension which is not of this universe.
Where "spiritual dimension" is Alan's version of an imaginary place, sometimes referred to as Never-Never Land, invented and reinvented in various forms for tens of thousands of years. Which, again, Alan has yet to demonstrate actually exists.
I do not believe that time as we know it will be experienced in the spiritual dimension.
Well, as long as we are making shit up, have at it Alan.
Our soul can only experience time through the window of perception into this physical universe.
Well, as long as we are making shit up, have at it Alan.
If this window closes down during unconsciousness, time is not perceived.
Remove the unsupported and undefined "window" fiction and at last, something to agree with. When you're fucking dead you're fucking dead. (edit: For clarity, I take this as Alan means unconsciousness like getting knocked out which within his framework is essentially the same as death sans any explanation to the contrary. A Never-Never Land where you exist forever but without time and without cause and effect is muddled nonsense.)
So you cannot presume to know that cause and effect logic is applicable to the spiritual will of the human soul, because cause and effect are dependent on time.
You can only pile bullshit so high Alan. Ugh.
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“No one can detect gravity or what it comprises.”
"But we know it exists because of the affect it has on material elements.”
"Similarly with spiritual entities such as souls. We can't detect them directly, but we know they exist because they can impart conscious acts of will on an otherwise physically deterministic universe.”
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