They don't tell these poor girls/women the consequences of taking the pill or using abortion pills. I was horrified when we had a speaker at our church about abortion. She talked about women taking such a pill and aborting the baby in the shower! I'd go insane if I saw that. Then the lady showed us pictures of the little aborted babies, the size of a quarter. Truly horrifying. I was on the fence till I saw that presentation.
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Typical tactics of right wing groups - shock, schlock and horror. Misinformation and outright lies about abortion.
I have my reservations about it when it is used as merely an alternative form of contraception. But often there are serious moral reasons why it might be necessary.
Besides, most abortions are carried out by Mother Nature herself, without anyone being hardly aware.
"you can't take a pill that aborts a baby"
There actually is such a treatement, it's called "RUsomesequenceofcyphers" and it's three pills to be taken at precise intervals that induce a miscarriage.
That aside this is complete and utter bullshit. Babies the size of a quarter? thank heavens we don't have that kind of morons here
The "abortion pill" is more commonly known as the "morning-after pill" or RU-486. It DOES induce a miscarriage, but it's meant to be used at a very early stage.
I'd say the fetus is alive as part of the mother from the moment of conception, but that the real issue is: when does the fetus acquire its own life separate from that of the mother? Until we have evidence that it happens before the umbilical cord is cut, I see no reason to believe that it happens before that point, so go ahead and take your morning-after pill.
You were on the fence 'til you saw that presentation? Great! Then don't have an abortion.
Just don't impose that on anyone else.
Plus, I would take any abortion-related presentation at a church with a lick of salt.
"She talked about women taking such a pill and aborting the baby in the shower!"
This is called hyperbole or, more commonly, outright bullshit. That pill doesn't work like that.
"I'd go insane if I saw that."
Too late. What really happened?
"Then the lady showed us pictures of the little aborted babies, the size of a quarter. Truly horrifying. I was on the fence till I saw that presentation."
Hence the reason for the pictures. Instead of, you know, presenting an argument she decided an appeal to emotion would be better. Apparently she knows her audience.
And you never asked yourself "is this speaker telling me the truth?"
The "Plan B" pill either prevents ovulation, prevents fertilization, or prevents implantation of the fertilized egg. In the former two cases, there is no life even by pro-life standards. In the latter case (five-six days after ovulation), the embryo is a blastocyst. A blastocyst is a clump of cells whose volume is little more than the volume of the egg - about 1/400th of an inch - since it hasn't attached to the uterus and has no source of nutrient other than the cell content of the egg itself.
So pills don't abort fetuses the size of a quarter. The speaker is BS-ing you.
I understand that at least a quarter of all pregnancies don't make it past the first trimester owing to entirely natural causes.
That would make God, who cursed Eve, '... I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children' by far the biggest abortionist of all.
To the person who didn't sign their name, message 958110, and anyone who might have read that:
THE MORNING AFTER PILL AND RU-486 ARE DIFFERENT PILLS THAT DO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
The "morning after pill" brand named as "Plan B", is a high dose of the same hormones in many popular versions of the regular birth control pill aka "The Pill". It is NOT an abortion pill (despite the fact that pro-life groups try to call it that and many people are confused about it). It PREVENTS pregnancy, in the same way that the pill, the patch, the nuva ring, etc. preven pregnancy.
RU-486 aka Mifepristone aka "the abortion pill" is something different. It is reasonably called "the abortion pill". It induces a miscarriage aka abortion in a pregnancy already in progress between weeks 5 and 7. At that time, the embryo is in fact about the size of a quarter, but is not recognizably a fetus (or a "baby"). It consists of two different drugs taken at specific intervals (with various possible methods), and its apparent result to the patient is an extremely heavy period with a larger than normal amount of semisolid tissues (the embryo is in fact in there somewhere).
Again, these are NOT THE SAME THING. I am 100% in favor of both being completely legal. There is no reason to think the embryo is anything close to sentient at that point. But it is pure misinformation to conflate the morning after pill with the abortion pill.
And it disturbs me that I'm the first person to make the correction; it leads me to believe that far fewer people than need to understand the difference.
Still with all these abortions, that means the statistically you have a greater chance of being one of the 144,000, come rapture.
Really are you that gullible!
Can I just say my wife is on the pill, and she has never ever had to abort a baby in the shower. In fact to date we have had two children, and that was after she stopped using the pill. Because... Wait for it... we planned it. WTF Family planning, it works!
Do you honestly think that a newly fertilized egg, aka a blastocyst, bears even a remote resemblance to anything human?
People, the morning after pill doesn't induce a miscarriage. It alters the chemistry in the womb so that the fertilized egg cannot implant.
If the egg doesn't implant it never even becomes a fetus. So it's not a miscarriage. And once it implants the morning after pill can't get rid of it.
@lonelocust
Thanks for posting that. Nothing makes me more angry than when people think Plan B and and the abortion pill are the same. It especially bothers me that people who call Plan B "the abortion pill" are usually on birth control themselves or their significant other is. They have no idea that they are taking the same medication as Plan B. I just wanna slap them, gently of course.
See this is why we need sex ed. Can people actually expect a human being, the size of a quarter, to form after just one night of pregnancy? The sperm would only have just fertilized the egg. You wouldn't even be able to see it, and it wouldn't look anything like a person for six months anyway.
@lonelocust - I was red faced and about to rant until you wrote that. Thank you for being the first to clear that up. The Anon needs to get their facts straight.
In addition, RU-486 is normally prescribed and taken in a clinic or hospital setting so that the initial stages can be monitored. An "Abortion in the Shower" is not going to happen, a menstrual period in the shower or some remaining bleeding might happen, but you are not seeing a kid pop onto the tile.
Secondly, as per my usual response to the morning after pill/ Plan B - ask someone who has had reason to take it. It used to be 10 pills over 24 hours, now they make them smooshed into easier to take doses. It rams you body in a horrible way for 24-36 hours. You live through that, you are not going to use it on a regular basis in any way, shape, or form.
PS Planned Parenthood gave me Plan B's in addition to my regular BC as part of their program for those with no insurance. They told me I could give them away as it has all their emergency contact info and support line numbers... so... anybody got cvat's home addy?
"She talked about women taking such a pill and aborting the baby in the shower!"
There is a huge differnce between the abortion pill and birth control.
"Then the lady showed us pictures of the little aborted babies, the size of a quarter. "
Those would be fetuses and only a few weeks. And they would look nothing like a "baby".
Wow, that's one hell of a big blastocyst, or one big hell of a lie (the latter obviously). Lyin' for Jebus, shame on you.
@958110 -- The "abortion pill", RU-486, does induce a miscarriage.
The "morning after pill" works by PREVENTING OVULATION/FERTILIZATION -- these are NOT the same thing.
RU-486 and the morning-after pill are two different things. Even liberals get them confused, so successfully the anti-choice have been at muddying the waters. The morning-after pill is basically a high dose of the regular pill. It will do nothing if a fertilized egg has already implanted - you are already pregnant - hence why there is a time limit in which to take it. RU-486 is the early-term chemical abortion pill. This will induce miscarriage of an early embryo. However, it is not really RU-486 that they are concerned about. Fundies have redefined "pregnancy" as fertilization and not implantation. It's a lie that is part of a plan to outlaw most forms of chemical contraception as "abortion". They fully expect that all forms of birth control available to women (which do not need reliance on a man to work, as the condom does) will be stopped. When the ability to control pregnancy (and thus, their emancipation, and their economic, social, emotional, and financial destiny) is solely in women's hands, the fundies lose power. It's never been about "babies", it never fucking has been. That's emotional rhetoric for the moronic, mushy middle who don't realise that "saving babies" means oppressing half the human race.
Gah, I hate forced-birthers.
To the various people explaining the difference between RU-486, plan B and birthcontrol pills:
In fundieland they are the same thing.
In fundieland personhood begins at conception. Birth control pills work in part by preventing implantation of the fertilised egg - this is abortion in fundieland. Plan B works by preventing implantation of a fertilised egg. This is abortion in fundieland. RU 486 unimplants a spot from the uterus - this is abortion in fundieland. These three things are the same as hoovering out a 10 week fetus - in fundieland.
And, wow, this time they didn't even mention the Coil...
Fundie propaganda really is responsible for a hideous amount of ignorance in the world. I think their chronic habit of telling blatant lies to gullible people is what pisses me off more than anything else about them.
According to your bible, the soul enters the body AFTER birth, when you take your first breath (I guess it flies into your mouth? or nose?)
So the problem with abortion is....?
Size of a quarter? Thumbelina!
I'll bet the posters on RR count spontaneous abortion on their abortion(choice) meter. Abortion is abortion you know! An ectopic pregnancy is another on the meter. Without intervention a fertilized ovum growing in the fallopian tube is lethal. Taking all/part of the fallopian tube with 'baby' inside amounts to abortion to them. In a SA aka miscarriage the woman may need a curettage for retained tissue so I bet they count that also.
The consequense of using the pill is that you escape unwanted pregnancies, and that you have a slightly higher risk for blood clots. That's about it. Oh, and you can get dried out mucous membrane, a bit of a downer if you want to have sex... The sexdrive can be somewhat diminished as well. And these two last are bad, how? (From your point of view.)
You'd go crazy if you saw a small waterfilled ball covered in blood (i.e. the amniotic sac)? Yeah, I guess that is rather unapetizing. Btw, are you a woman? If so, do you close your eyes in the restroom when you are having your period? That is just as unapetizing. I have had a spontaneous abortion, so I know. But the fetus was all but gone by then, it had started to regress in week 7 and in week 11 it came to a misscarriage.
Why did you change your mind from "on the fence" just cause you saw pictures? My fantasy is more vivid than any picture. Poor you.
"... little aborted babies, the size of a quarter ..."
And you are so pathetically ignorant and gullible that you actually fell for this easily refuted lie.
I'm embarrassed for you since you are obviously too stupid to be embarrassed for yourself.
# lonelocust :
Shhh! Don't confuse the poor befuddled Fundies. You know they can't handle advanced concepts like "different kinds of pills".
Just give them a package of Ex-Lax and tell 'em they're vitamins. They'll be condemining vitamins as a (s)tool of the Devil by the next morning!
"They don't tell these poor girls/women the consequences of taking the pill or using abortion pills."
In the case of birth control pills, I'm guessing one of the consequences it no pregnancy?
Abortifacients are ALWAYS administered under the supervision of a doctor (if that doctor's worthy of his damned license, that is) and the woman doesn't go home until after the embryo is gone and the bleeding has stopped. It doesn't happen in the fucking shower!!
And yes, most women do know that the consequences of taking an abortifacient are--AN ABORTION! Duh! It's not rocket science.
@Princess Rot I really like the term "forced-birthers". I don't like to use "anti-choice" because I feel it's purely incendiary an unlikely to cause anyone who's just believing what they were taught/confused by bad information to be anything but hostile to the pro-choice point of view. On the other hand, I don't like using "pro-life" because it's, well, inaccurate. I usually use "pro-life" anyway, to just call people what they call themselves, but "forced-birth" really gets the point accross.
@ Misty
"Morning after pills don't abort quarter-sized babies. By the time you use them, the fetus is pretty much just a little blob."
Morning after pills don't abort fetuses of any size, blob or otherwise.
@Misty:
I think you might be getting the morning after pill confused with the abortion pill. As others have said, they're completely different things. The morning after pill is just a higher dose of the regular birth control pill--it prevents pregnancy, it doesn't cause an abortion.
"Thank you, Lonelocust. That comment was bothering the hell out of me. "
Ditto. I cannot understand why people just can't seem to get it through their heads that not allowing a woman have an abortion FORCES her to go through pregnancy and childbirth.
no neurons = no conscience = no pain = not really 'living'.
that's what goes for young babies. and that's why it's okay to abort pregnancies.
unfortunately, this does not go for fundies.
The pill prevents pregnancy that making the body believe that the woman is already pregnant and preventing ovulation. How can you abort if there´s not CONCEPTION, to begin with?. If you mean an abortive pill, well, you may have a point, but that´s not called "the pill". Sorry.
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