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The talk of economy is a cope out and you know it. It is not hard to keep your economy going, especially if you HAVE PEOPLE. If you abort all your babies, you won't have an economy in the first place!

For the record, I never said we would have to fight a war with the U.S.. We could secede from the Union without a war. And we would not have to go to war with other nations. If someone were to attack us, we would just go Nuclear on them and shut them down. The vast majority of nations will back down when you Nuke them. Like Japan did in WWII, most humans will just stop trying to fight you if you turn some of their cities into glass and shadows.

Moral values first! Then the economy. In that order.

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old comment by Dread Pirate Crotchbeard

From the thread, a post by Suomipoika made in response to ShieldOfFaith's lunacy above:

Deeply demonic words from the darkest pits of hell. Jesus Christ is grieving deeply when this kind of satanic message of death, violence and darkness is being propagated under His name. I pray that you repent and return to the ways of truth, light and the love of Christ.What I see above is more like a demon speaking.

Start by reading about the ways of the first Christians, their relationship to violence, their love for their enemy etc.

Christ-like love for the enemy, anyone? (Instead of "turning your enemies into glass and bombing their cities"??)

A-Fucking-men. There's sanity on both sides of the fence.

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Moral values don't include nuking. Moreover, those countries which have "moral values" have a very stricken economy. Why?, because, believe it or not, abortions are not that numerous as you think and you're not missing a great deal of workforce. In fact, far more children die of natural causes in the third world countries, which explains, in a vicious cyrcle, the problem(or part of it). Take Pakistan or, possibly Iran, or Israel, why haven't they nuked, as you proposed, watching your example of the II World War?, easy, because, at the time, ONLY USA HAD THE BOMB. Now, it's ubiquitous. And what the hell, haven't you thought that those countries may have that too and will retaliate?. Haven't you considered WHY the nuke haven't been used again since WWII?

old comment by Horsefeathers

"The talk of economy is a cope out and you know it. It is not hard to keep your economy going, especially if you HAVE PEOPLE. If you abort all your babies, you won't have an economy in the first place!"

Perhaps I missed it in the news but I don't recall any sort of decree to abort every single pregnancy from this point on you nitwit.

"For the record, I never said we would have to fight a war with the U.S.. We could secede from the Union without a war."

Good idea! Oh, wait, someone already tried that once. I don't quite recall how that worked out for them. Maybe you should pick up a history book and let me know, you moron.

"And we would not have to go to war with other nations. If someone were to attack us, we would just go Nuclear on them and shut them down."

Brilliant! Oh, wait, no it's not. See, there are things called 'allies' and you're not the only ones with nuclear weapons. Look up something called Mutually Assured Destruction.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure that if you attempted to secede and become an independent government that the codes to the nuclear weapons would be the first fucking thing changed. People like you obviously aren't cognitively equipped to build a campfire, let alone a nuclear weapon, so this part of your devious plan is null and void.

"he vast majority of nations will back down when you Nuke them. Like Japan did in WWII, most humans will just stop trying to fight you if you turn some of their cities into glass and shadows."

A quick history lesson will tell you that nobody else had nuclear weapons at the time you fucking idiot. Of course everyone would back down if you're the only one holding all the cards but, like I pointed out, that's not quite the case any more.

Just one last thing: God damn, you're a stupid one.

old comment by GigaGuess

The talk of economy is a cope out and you know it. It is not hard to keep your economy going, especially if you HAVE PEOPLE. If you abort all your babies, you won't have an economy in the first place!
Who advocated aborting all the babies? Anyone? Abortion denotes a woman having a CHOICE to carry the baby or not. Not doctors sneaking into women's rooms at night, and sucking the fetus out.

For the record, I never said we would have to fight a war with the U.S.. We could secede from the Union without a war.
Up until you start demanding the perks of being with the union, but not the responsibilities.

And we would not have to go to war with other nations. If someone were to attack us, we would just go Nuclear on them and shut them down.
Excellent! Never mind negotiations, and peace-keeping. Nuke the buggers. Spoken like a true Armchair strategist.

The vast majority of nations will back down when you Nuke them.
Or fight doubly hard in the face of the atrocities you are committing. I forgot...it's not genocide if it's for God.

Like Japan did in WWII, most humans will just stop trying to fight you if you turn some of their cities into glass and shadows.
And if someone threatened that on you? Would you like that? Or are you too lost in your psychotic bloodlust to consider the fact that NOT EVERYONE OF A NATION IS ON THE SAME SIDE! There are innocents in Iraq, you know.

Moral values first!
*Dies laughing at the sheer irony and hypocrisy of this statement*

Then the economy. In that order.
*Resurrect* This makes me glad that you will never be in charge of anything more that a bunch of sea-monkeys.

old comment by Tempus

Anyone read through the thread?

In a later passage he talks about how, in his new nation, those found guilty of capital crimes in court would be hung by the neck until dead immediately afterward. Because after all, no one has ever been found guilty of a crime who was exonerated based on evidence that was discovered later.

He invokes the "glass parking lot" meme over and over again. He also repeatedly sneers at people who think his nation's government would be a little too "austere"--he loves that word, apparently. And when asked repeatedly about how homosexuals and other "deviant" types would be treated, he sort of gets coy and refuses to answer because he says his answer would bring down the lock from the mods. And apparently in his own mind, the rest of the world would envy his demonic little hellhole for this to the point that they'd be beating off the people trying to get in with a stick.

It's like a trainwreck. It's so disgustingly horrifying you can't help but watch.

old comment by Swede

In what way is it moral to nuke your neighbor into oblivion? I seem to remeber something about "love thy neighbor as yourself"...

No country aborts all their babies. China has been doing the "One kid per family" thing for decades, and they are still the largest country in the world, population-wise.
However, you do have a point there; many girl babies have "disapeared", and now China has a surplus of men who can't find a girlfriend/wife.

At the time of WWII, only the US and Soviet had nuclear weapons. Now many, many countries have nuclear warheads of their own, and the second they learn that you've sent a bomb their way, they will send their own heading your way. What goes around, comes around.

Git!

old comment by Demented Yenta

@what???: None of that interests him.

Seriously, read through that thread or the two that follow it. He doesn't give two shits about human life once it exits the womb. Poverty? Starvation? Doesn't care--sink or swim, fucker, as long as the porn shops get burned to the ground. He wants to see the death penalty expanded to include Old Testament crimes. No appeals for condemned criminals. Wrongfully accused? Oh well, life's a bitch. His idea of mercy is giving the condemned two or three days to get right with Jesus before stringing him up. Human rights? Yeah, that shit's for commies. He wants to see them wiped from the Earth too. Freedom of speech? What's that? Keep your mouth shut or you'll get a bullet through it.

And in his own mind, all these things would ensure that ShielfOfFaithLand would be *soooooooo* incredibly prosperous and happy that they'd have to post armed guards around the border and seal it up to keep desperate people from the godless heathen lands beyond from swarming across to get into Paradise.

Seriously.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Moral values first! Then the economy. In that order."

Yeah. Well, you try to pay your unimaginably huge debt to China with the value of just your 'morals', sparky. Meanwhile, their economy (along with that of India) rolls on inexorably. Along with their growing industrial base, nay, their unlimited resource: educated people.

No wonder China's set to overtake the US in the next two years in terms of scientific R&D (they already possess the most powerful supercomputer on the planet, Tianhe 1A). Unhindered by 'moral values' as you know them. China is at best irreligious; at worst (as far as you fundies in the US are concerned), Atheist. Nope, no GOP telling them what to do. Because in Soviet China, God worships him:

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I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords. Better start learning Mandarin. And Atheism, ShitOfFaith & all your ilk.

Where is your God now?!

...oh, and one final thought: China has nukes too. Three letters: M.A.D.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"If someone were to attack us, we would just go Nuclear on them and shut them down. The vast majority of nations will back down when you Nuke them. Like Japan did in WWII, most humans will just stop trying to fight you if you turn some of their cities into glass and shadows."

So the US is the only country that has nukes? Think again, ShitOfFaith. Three letters: M.A.D.

'A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.'

-WOPR/Joshua, "WarGames" (after having cycled through any & all possible permutations/scenarios of 'Global Thermonuclear War')

And if a fictional AI can come to that conclusion, nay, have the reasoning to think so, then not only your way of thinking, but the basis of your so-called 'beliefs', nay, your morals based on such, have absolutely no place in human thinking.

You'd better not watch the film "Colossus: The Forbin Project", if you know what's good for you, ShitOfFaith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_computers

'Freedom is the right of all sentient beings'

-Optimus Prime, "Transformers"

That film ("Colossus") reminds me of a short story I read years ago*: the finest human minds conceive, design and build the ultimate hypercomputer, with not just an AI, but an AS ('Artificial Sentience') loaded into it. All human knowledge is programmed into said AS, and as a test run, it comes up with a cure for cancer, and other diseases. The government is involved, and it entrusts the running of it's entire defence system, making it completely foolproof; also making such completely tamperproof (by outside agencies/enemies). The hypercomputer is powered by an unlimited fusion power source, which itself is completely tamperproof, making it self-sufficient. The entire system itself (including the AS core) is completely sealed, to make it not only tamperproof, but indestructible.

Once it is completed, and fully online, one of the staff asks the question 'Is there a God?' The AS ponders a moment, then replies:

'There is now.'

*- A variation of one from the 1950s, now I come to think of it.

“The talk of economy is a cope out and you know it. It is not hard to keep your economy going, especially if you HAVE PEOPLE.”
Well, the people have to have money for there to be an economy.
And something to spend the money ON. So you need to have jobs and stores and goods and services all working. It’s more complicated than you’d like to think.

“If you abort all your babies, you won't have an economy in the first place!”
Oh, we’d have an economy. All that disposable income we don’t spend on diapers, and the businesses will import foreign workers to keep the goods flowing.

“For the record, I never said we would have to fight a war with the U.S.. We could secede from the Union without a war.”
Like the last time, huh? Yeah, that works.

"And we would not have to go to war with other nations. If someone were to attack us, we would just go Nuclear on them and shut them down.”
Where’d you get the nukes?
Even if you successfully secede, the US will not allow you to retain control of any nukes stationed there. Probably not any reactors, either, all nuclear material belongs to the Feds.
And if you START the secession by seizing control of a military base with nukes, you’ll be identified as terrorists and wiped right the fuck out.

“The vast majority of nations will back down when you Nuke them. Like Japan did in WWII,”
You have one (1) example. And they didn’t have nukes. That’s nowhere near ‘the vast majority.’
And assuming you successfully secede with nukes, you join the Nuclear Club. Anyone in that club starts lobbing nukes then holy fucking shit, everyone else will lob THEIR nukes. Whether you shoot at them or not, they cannot risk you MAYBE getting around to them some day.

"most humans will just stop trying to fight you if you turn some of their cities into glass and shadows.”
This was my job for 20 years. And you are ASTOUNDINGLY wrong. You cross that line and most humans will go full-on drunken monkey on you.

“Moral values first!”
Says the guy who wants to throw nukes at the first sign of conflict.

“Then the economy. In that order.”
You can’t really spend radioactive money.

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