['I thought that Schiavo was in a vegetative state.']
I thought that having club feet is not worthy of being kept alive.
Again, Schiavo was only the beginning. If you think that a "vegetative state" is not worthy of life, then why should a person with club feet be allowed to live?
BTW... Schiavo was not in a "vegetative state". Such a term is deplorable, and is Himmlerian.
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Uh ... it was religion which said that children with club feet shouldn't be allowed to live. I don't think real scientists have ever claimed that. Meanwhile, they have defined just what a vegetative state is and based on past experience, the chances of someone recovering from such a state.grow back .
Thank you, Bob. Your comments on Schiavo's autopsy findings were exactly what I was going to comment on. So, hear, hear!
When I first found FSTDT, I went back to the March and April '05 archives to see what there was on Schiavo, and it was only about five posts. I was so pissed off. Glad to see it being made up along the way.
Yeah, what kind of quality of life would a person with club feet have? Boy, that sure is a small step from Schiavo to a podiatry problem! I mean, put a picture of each in front of me and I can't tell the difference. Whatta jackass.
Why let people die in this day and age? We could keep them alive until they are 200 or something with all kinds of machines! Just think about it, an entire nation full of hospitals with nothing but people lying there doing nothing but being alive thanks to the machines. No brain activity nothing, but hey, at least they are alive (and th "living" people get to pay billions to fund all that).
I think that DavidfromTexas here must be club-footed. That's essentially the same thing as brainless, right?NOT ME!
Winston, they sure did. It was the Schiavo debacle, so there's protestors separated into camps as they usually are in a circus like that. That guy crept in with the sign and sent the other camp into a frenzy. There were two pics (I don't have to other saved) one with him normally in their midst, and that one where they realise what's going on.
Oh yes, DavidfromTexas. This was one crazy thread. When he was informed that he had committed like three dozen Godwins, he first tried re-defining it, and then came up with this:
Godwin's corollary... Atheists define anything having to do with the Nazis as having lost a debate. Atheists are dreadfully fearful of discussing the Nazis because they know that the Nazis and other atrocious evils effectively dismantle their naive view of moral relativism.
I'm not sure why or how he brought atheism into it, but there you are.
Also, what the hell would Heinrich Himmler have cared about a brain-dead woman in Florida?
I would ask him if he thinks Lord Byron's club foot made his brain comparable to Shiavo's, but the fact that Byron apparently fooled around with men would probably cancel out his accomplishments for old Dave, so never mind.
I have a friend who was born with a club foot. She is bright and attractive, and modern medicine has largely repaired that foot. Nothing can be done for persons in a persistent vegetative state. By definition, they are NOT going to get better.is the accepted medical term. It accurately describes the condition of one who has the intellectual capacity of a cabbage.
I would like to thank you for at least having the marginal creativity to "Godwin" using Himmler rather than Hitler. It's a nice change.
Oops, sorry David from Texas. We've recalled our Acme Slip-O Butter some time ago due to its sticky non-slippery nature. I'm afraid your slope isn't slippery. I'm sorry you spent all night buttering it, but no one is going to slip on it. The Acme Corporation will give you a refund, but we are currently unable to butter the slope for you.
I never could understand why the fundies were yammering about keeping that poor brain-dead body "alive" on machinery. Ironic, at the very least, since they hate science -- except when medical technology can be put to use in one of their "pro-life" campaigns. But, if they really believe in heaven and all that crap, wouldn't the more righteous thing have been NOT to interfere with god's apparent will (since she actually stopped living years before) and instead let her go to her reward in the afterlife?
For all that fundies like to think scientists are reductionists, they are worse than the most ridiculous straw-man scientist you'll find in a Chick tract. We acknowledge that what makes us what we are is the ability to formulate thoughts, and to share them with other people (and even intelligent animals) via language or other means, and to process them using logical and intuitive reasoning. That is the essence of humanity, and to deny this by insisting that human life is nothing but biochemical processes mediated by a series of characteristic DNA sequences misses the point that we are so much more than the sum of our parts.
The only credit I can give this one is that he can name a Nazi other than Hitler. Still, a Godwin is a Godwin.
What about hangnails? Death sentence for that too?
Just because it's difficult to make a decision doesn't mean that we should fail to discriminate among conditions. For "club feet", why don't you ask the person? ...but you wouldn't have got any answer from Schiavo.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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