[How can you be pro-life and support this war?]
there is a difference between consenting adults and fetuses. they have no relationship to each other. it's apples and oranges.
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So what your'e saying is that it is okay for BOTH a fetus and the pregnant mother to get killed by bullets from a soldier's machine-gun, or if she dies from a 'smart bomb', just like 100,000 other Iraqi civilians, so long as the deaths are caused by american soldiers.
Oddly enough, he kind of has a point. If you become a soldier, and it's voluntary, you are in fact agreeing to sacrifice your life four your country. Also, you accept that it is the political leaders who decide where you fight and, by default, where you could die. Note however that you are the one who makes the initial decision to join or not: as a member of the society it is a choice you can make. BUT
a foetus is not a member of a society and only has the voice that the mother chooses to give it. If she chooses to end it, so be it. If she chooses not to, so be it.
I mean, according to your standards, euthanasia no(consenting adults)and war yes(which consenting adults are those who are killed?). It´s apples, apples and apples.
TDR: You're probably right, but slamming a position assumed to be held by the poster means nothing. We don't appreciate it when the fundies slam someone for being an atheist when he's a liberal, for example; the two CAN coexist, but they certainly don't have to.
I repeat, you are PROBABLY right, since those beliefs frequently are found together -- but it is better to not assume.
~David D.G.
And those consenting women and children who get blown away.
Ohh, let's not forget those consenting car bombs, missiles, artillery shells and bullets.
When some guy and I get into a personal fight, it's consent, and anyone worth anything won't hurt someone else to win a fight they aren't involved in. War, is where a whole bunch of shitheads send soldiers off to shoot at eachother.
There's a large difference there.
What I find ironic is how the poster seems to believe that soldiers in Iraq have "consented" to be killed. I know a lot of soldiers, some in Iraq even, and not a single one of them ever "consented" to be killed in a politically motivated pissing contest.
They have agreed to risk their lives to defend the nation, but they certainly haven't "consented" to be killed. At least as far as I know, the USA does not maintain regiments of dedicated suicide soldiers. Now, congress and the president may be "consenting" to have them killed when the refuse to supply basic protections and body armor for the soldiers, place them in harm's way for no good reason, and neglect to listen to the experts and generals about what's happening over there, but that's another matter entirely.
Ah, yes. There's a difference between adults and fetuses. Killing adults is OK, but killing fetuses is murder!
I have a question. In your little world, did Iraq consent to invasion, or is Iraq not given any consideration? Did the innocent civilians killed by the soldiers consent to being killed, or do they not matter because they're not Murkins?
"Oddly enough, he kind of has a point. If you become a soldier, and it's voluntary, you are in fact agreeing to sacrifice your life four your country. Also, you accept that it is the political leaders who decide where you fight and, by default, where you could die. Note however that you are the one who makes the initial decision to join or not: as a member of the society it is a choice you can make. BUT
a foetus is not a member of a society and only has the voice that the mother chooses to give it. If she chooses to end it, so be it. If she chooses not to, so be it."
so... the soldiers s/he supports volunteered, and their deaths are not murder, but the people who died as a result of the war s/he's supporting didn't volunteer and were murdered. I agree with your position but I don't see how that means pinkeye has a point.
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