Tim Brown and Brigitte Gabriel #conspiracy

Tim Brown and Brigitte Gabriel #conspiracy barbwire.com

Brigitte Gabriel spoke earlier this year at First Conservative Baptist Church and informed the people there that the Muslim Brotherhood is in the process of infiltrating American public schools, just as they have the United States federal government.

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[T]he Muslim Brotherhood was established to begin the new Islamic Caliphate. As part of that goal (referred to in counter terrorist circles as “The Project”), the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the United States in order to neuter it on the world stage and ultimately to destroy it. This is right in line with the aspirations of one Barack Hussein Obama as well.

Gabriel went on to talk about the “behind the scenes” efforts by the Muslim Brotherhood to maintain an appearance of “moderation” with the goal of destroying Western society and establishing the Islamic State in America. This includes, but isn’t limited to: Using our liberties against us, using “buzzwords,” establishing non-profit and human rights organizations.

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old comment by Yossarian Lives

@Anton:

"There are some interesting claims that should be tested against the evidence."

Really? If you're going to claim that there is a plot involving Obama to establish an Islamic Caliphate within the USA you're going to need a substantial amount of evidence to support this, and the evidence usually put forward by the tin foil hat wearers is, to put it kindly, sketchy.

As for the rest; well, as Citizen Justin has stated, Christianity forms a bigger threat to the USA, on a national level at least. If the USA is to become a theocracy it will be most likely based upon Christin doctrine, as can be seen by the attempts to push the teaching of creationism in schools, the control over other people's lives with their opposition to abortion and homosexuality etc by Christians. As a secularist I oppose this intolerance and authoritarianism, and opposing this is not "anti-Christian bigotry," which is similar to how I am not being an "anti-Islamic bigot" when I oppose its extremists. I'd be perfectly fine with people having faith if they were willing to keep it to themselves and not force it upon others, but unfortunately, with thanks to religious scripture, many are not content to do this, hence the ardent opposition from myself and others.

It's not just Christian fundies that get quoted on FSTDT; you only have to skim through the archives or top 100 to see examples of nonsense spouted by MRAs, radical feminists, Muslims, Jews, "militant" vegetarians and even a handful of atheists! The reason why Christian fundies commonly feature is because they are relatively common, unlike atheist "fundies," and their sites are more well known amongst the majority English speaking people that frequent websites such as this, hence the lack of Islamic fundies. If you want to submit quotes from a website linked to something other than Christianity then, by all means, do it; if they're suitable (i.e. they're fundie) they'll appear on this site a few days later.

old comment by Anton

@Yossarian lives

"As for the rest; well, as Citizen Justin has stated, Christianity forms a bigger threat to the USA, on a national level at least."

Well if anonymous dimwit Citizen Justin says so it must be true, mustn't it?

"If the USA is to become a theocracy it will be most likely based upon Christin doctrine"

How could you possibly know that? History is full of unexpected outcomes. Christianity no longer commands the allegiance of the intelligentsia in the West, as it once did. So any attempt to establish a Christian theocracy would meet with strong resistance. What concerns me more is the rise of low grade atheism trashing principles of critical thinking and free speech. Too much of it is captive to knee-jerk political correctness, too beholden to gay and feminist irrationalism. Religion is not the only institutionalised irrationality in the world.

old comment by Yossarian Lives

@Anton:

I wasn't referring to Citizen Justin's post because he's (possibly) an atheist, I was merely acknowledging his response, as I agree with it and there was no point in expanding upon it too much. Then, if you weren't a pea brained (or should I say ant brained?) troll you'd have realised this.

Yes, (a large section of) Christians are the biggest threat to democracy in the USA, as they are the ones pushing for pseudoscience in schools, they are the ones trying to impose their beliefs on others. When an atheist opposes this, and when they say that belief is most likely based upon mythology, it is not an attack upon free thought. If a theist cannot hack criticism then it's their problem; all ideas should be held up to scrutiny.

You are not exercising critical support by apologising for religion. In secular societies, such as the USA, there is freedom of religion (as well as freedom from religion), hence a realisation that all faiths, and non-faiths, should be treated equally so that no belief system is able to impose itself upon all of society. It is not an example of critical thought if you are allowing those that want to bring in legistlation based upon what the supposed sky daddy says to prosper. If you're on the side of those that support increased restrictions on abortion because of what the pastor says then you're not a free thinker. You claim that if Christians try to impose themselves upon others there'd be resistance, yet you oppose that do resist this.

I've wasted far too much time on an ant brained troll, so this will be my final response on this issue. By all means respond, but don't get too giddy, as by having the last word it doesn't mean that you've "won."