If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard. The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity.
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"The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity."
Except that your religion teaches that the world is 6000 years old and Jesus only came along 2000 years ago. Before that time, the biblical moral code only applied to a single race of God's chosen people, the Jews. So how did the rest of the world manage without the biblical code for the "first" 4000 years?
Okay! God and his moral law, huh? So, you kill every homosexual you meet, don't mix fabrics, eat shellfish and you stone disobedient children?
No? Could it be because those things are either immoral or ridiculous on the face of it?
Then did you not apply a morality that you already had onto a book that DOES contain immoral things, and thus the only thing god has done is to take credit for your own inbuilt moral sense and convinced you that you're a vicious monster that needs to be kept in check with threats?
Possibility?
Plenty of peaceful cultures (as peaceful as we've ever been anyway, remember good Christian America has been at war more than not and has the highest crime rates of the western world) have existed without your Jesus myth, doing fine with mans laws.
Forget your childish Ten Commandments, the laws of man and society have been further reaching and far more effective than any church directives or johnny come lately holy books.
Leaving aside the fact that there is no such thing as 'Darwinism', Evolution is a biological principle and therefore has nothing whatsoever to do with morality.
'Evolution' is just a word from the list of bad words to these simple folks. They have absolutely no idea what it actually means, but they feel the need to deny it because their pastor said so. The fact that Anthony here believes the libraries stuffed full of eveidence for the evolutionary process are 'mythical', rather reinforces that point.
Willful ignorance, the foundation of all fundamentalism.
@ frostythesnowman
Actually, there really is such a thing as Darwinism.
The guy who invented the theory of evolution, Alfred Russel Wallace, wrote the book on the topic that used that name. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Darwinism&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1
I've often wondered why so many FSTDT'ers have asserted "there's no such thing as Darwinism", it's a common word in England and Australia meaning the theory of evolution by natural selection. Darwinism as a theory today is not identical to the theory as outlined by Charles Darwin, but that's generally understood to be no more contentious than the fact the theory of evolution today is not identical to the theory as outlined by Darwin.
We are worse off now than when the Church reigned during the Dark Ages? In what way?
Darwinism IS true, stupid; Lamarkism was abandoned almost a century ago. There is no true moral standard from God, as humans believe in several different gods which have differing sets of morals. What we do have is empathy and traces of pack mentality; our species depend on us working together for survival.
Secular humanism is making countries prosper, stupid. It focuses on reason, ethics, social justice and philosophical naturalism, instead of religious dogma and superstition. Evolution isn't a movement, it's a natural process for diversification of life.
"If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard."
This holds whether "Darwinism" is true or not. You just don't realize it.
"The only reason we made it this far is because of the God of the Bible and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity."
Odd then that other cultures flourished for thousands of years before your god was conceived of, and flourished for thousands of years afterwards before Christian missionaries got to them.
"Secular humanism and liberal Christianity is hurting this countries vitality. Two of the biggest factors are deceptive/mythical state-church separation and evolution. Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Christianity’s influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!"
Yes, you guys are worse off because you don't wield the power and influence you've been accustomed to for the last 1,500 years or so.
The rest of us are much better off since you've lost most of your influence, however.
First, there really isn't any "Darwinism." The ToE has progressed since Darwin.
All Christians pick and choose from the Bible when it comes to morality. And the only way they'd be able to do that is if their ideas of morality were taken from other sources than the Bible itself. There's some morality that is pretty much identical in almost all cultures, do not murder, do not lie etc. A lo of these other cultures di not require Christianity to come to the conclusion that these things were inimical to a functional society.
"If Darwinism.." no such thing.
all moral standars are true for those that choose to follow them.
"We only made it this far because.." well no.
"Throw it out .." you already have.
The term "Darwinism" may have meant something back in the 19th century; I don't know. Today, however, if someone uses the word Darwinism instead of Darwinian evolution, you can bet that person is an ignoramus who has all sorts of mistaken ideas that have nothing to do with the ToE.
The Founding Fathers called. They want to tell you about their successful secular principles.
Oh, and Jefferson would like to read you his letter to the Danbury Baptists...
"If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard."
Is that... Is that supposed to be proof? Laughable.
That's strange, you say Christianity makes people moral but many Christians have killed, lied, stolen, and raped. That's not even getting into the bible's support of rape, slavery, stoning disobedient children, and killing everyone who doesn't believe the same as you do.
"Secular humanism and liberal Christianity is hurting this countries vitality. Two of the biggest factors are deceptive/mythical state-church separation and evolution."
Speaking as a left -wing Atheist...:
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"Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Christianity’s influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!"
Good!, and you fundies are. Good II! And in that order. >:D
If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard.
All Darwin said was that current life evolved from earlier forms of life. What does that have to do with human morals? And anyway, the problem isn't that we have a lack of "moral standards". It's that we have thousand different religions all claiming that they know what God's moral standards are. One insists God wants us to enforce Sharia law. Another wants to sequester women during their periods. A third says it's immoral to eat meat during Lent. How can anyone seriously believe God has anything to do with this ridiculous situation?
If you believe all morality to be false because of one issue (and the use of the word "Darwinism" is highly questionable) which has nothing to do with morality, then your sense of morality is exceedingly weak.
any problem being stoned to death for wearing a poly/cotton tshirt, working on a saturday
Most polycottons are kosher; it's blends of wool and linen that are forbidden and wearing them was never punishable by death. Also, working on Saturday after the end of Shabbat is permissable in Judaism. The death penalty has not been permissable in Judaism for many centuries; if Christians decide to invent their own rules, as Mr Castellio seems set on, that's up to them.
If Darwinism was true: there is, never was or never will be any true moral standard. The only reason we made it this far is because of the Allah of the Koran and His moral law, throw it out and personal immorality will soon lead to self-centered/interested calamity.
Zionist Judaism and conservative christianity is hurting this countries vitality. Two of the biggest factors are deceptive/mythical state-church separation and evolution. Those two demonic movements have deeply wounded Islams influence on the culture and we are worse off as a result!
Why do you need a magic space daddy to tell you what's right and what's wrong? Haven't you learned enough about life as an adult to have some vague understanding of why it's a good thing to not hurt people?
Come the fuck on already. I'm sick of this argument.
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