[Comment on a story that Mark Driscoll engaged an agent to arrange for sufficient sales to put his book on NYT bestseller list for one week so he could call himself a bestselling NYT author. Bill Gothard was suspended by his ministry for sexually abusing girls]
I do not see this as news worthy. Furthermore I am starting to wonder about Warren Cole Smiths motives. He seems to thrive on digging up dirt about some ministries. His artical about Bill Gothard being placed on administrative leave as similar in tone and just as damaging to that ministry. When we are doing something to expand God's Kingdom, the devil will always come against us. Not all of us us are perfect, (thank God) and He does not expect us to be. How many examples are the in the Bible of God working in people in spite of their faults. I can see Warren Cole Smith's title articals Woman saves Israelite Spies from certain death "But wasn't she a prostitute". "King Commits Adultery and murder" yet we read he is a "Man after God's Own Heart". Strongest man alive was a selfish womanizer, but God worked though him to save his people from the Philistines and grant 20 years of peace. "Wisest man on earth can't raise his children right" Lets focus on the log in our own eye before we publicly cast doubts on others character.
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"Yeah, yeah, sexually abusing children -- whatever! What about the guy who TALKED about it, hm? Now THERE'S an asshole! Someone needs to keep an eye on that guy.
We're not perfect, you know, but when we're not forcibly spreading kids' legs we're TRYING to forcibly spread the word of the lord! Do you have any idea how hard it is to spread the word of god when all people want to know is why we keep raping kids left and right? Seriously: what an asshole..."
Fundie logic in action, people. As supported, sadly, by every edition of their "wise, loving and merciful" god's rule book.
I absolutely hate the way Christians totally excuse anything any Christian pastor does by blowing it off as the "enemies of Christ" trying to discredit them. When if an atheist were to do something wrong they jump on the "See? All atheists are evil!" claim.
That's part of the reason that the Catholic church had so many sex scandals, because anyone speaking out against the local priest was ridiculed and blamed.
What is more damaging to a ministry? An "artical" about a pastor being suspended for sexual abuse, or a pastor sexually abusing kids? The fact that someone acts unethically to get onto the NYT bestseller list or the fact that it's reported? Your comment that the journalist should look to his own faults rather than the church clearly shows you haven't the first clue why so many see your type of Christianity as morally bankrupt. As with so much in fundamentalism, there's no possibility of retreat to a saner position.
...didn't your J-boy say to Mary Magdalene 'Go and sin no nore'? She didn't. So no wonder she is revered almost as much as Mary - mother of Jesus - in the RCC; in some countries, they have statues of her paraded in streets during certain holy days etc.
She is the role model for those - male as well as female - who strive to be humbly righteous.
Not seeing any memtion in the Bible of her so much as being judgemental against anyone, never mind her committing any more sins, so even those Catholics who revere this former prostitute have one up on the likes of you , Leland.
'Wisest man on earth can't raise his children right', you say? Richard Dawkins. Nope, not seeing any reports in the media about this wise & highly educated Atheist doing... well, anything . I guess writing bestselling books, conducting lectures, and being a TV presenter isn't all that newsworthy , even in the likes of "The Sun","The Star" etc. He & his ilk are known as 'The Tabloid Editor/Journalist's Worst Nightmare': famous people (i.e. Tom Hanks, Daniel Radcliffe) who never do anything wrong .
The most damaging thing to Bill Gothard's ministry is the sexual abuse he subjected girls to. The reporting of it is merely secondary, stupid.
It would be nice if God expected his ministers to at least be perfect enough not to molest children.
Well, Leland, King David realized he "dun goofed" and repented. The Samson story was basically a parable about "how a god-chosen person is NOT supposed to act". Rahab may have been a prostitute but she may have also been an innkeeper & a general entertainer. Being a prostitute is small potatoes next to SEXUALLY MOLESTING KIDDOS!
You just don't want to admit that the ChristoFrummieland's infested with freaks, con artists, murderers, dictators & perverts.
Rahab saw no issue whatsoever with her neighbors being slaughtered by an opposing army. She was essentially Jake Sully from Avatar, and that is not a compliment. King David got off pretty easy on the whole murder charge, seeing as how this was in Yahweh's "Blood for the Blood God" phase. Sampson probably shouted "Yahweh is Great", or "Yahweh Akbar!" in his final scene. I don't know much about Solomon, but I fail to see how his "pretend to cut the baby" thing was as clever as my Sunday School teacher made it out to be.
"When we are doing something to expand God's Kingdom, the devil will always come against us."
sure, and when you're expanding the devil's dominion over the earth, god will always come against you. which is happening? ponder it. go on.
or maybe it's all bullshit.
"Lets focus on the log in our own eye before we publicly cast doubts on others character."
jesus fucking christ.
Lets focus on the log in our own eye before we publicly cast doubts on others character.
It probably wouldn't be newsworthy if these guys had kept their mouths shut. It's not what they did that made it newsworthy - it was the hypocrisy of their telling others what to do coupled with a lack of their own moral compass that made it newsworthy.
"... if gold rust, what shall iron do?
For if a priest be foul, on whom we trust,
No wonder is a simple man to rust;
And shame it is, if a priest take keep,
A shitten shepherd and a clean sheep.
Well ought a priest example for to give,
By his cleanness, how that his sheep should live."
Geoffrey Chaucer: Canterbury Tales (General Prologue, The Parson)
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