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Russia’s not, by the way, Communist. Those who don’t understand that anymore, the media tries to portray them still as our enemy. They’re not our enemy. They should be our friend. They’re actually more free and more consistent with traditional American values than we are.

We used to call ourselves in this country — even though we always argued, and we believed in freedom of religion, and freedom of thought and those things — we’ve always called ourselves a Christian nation.

Our leaders from the time of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and other leaders all throughout American history called ourselves a Christian nation.They don’t call us a Christian nation anymore.

But guess what? Russia — the former Communist state — formally calls itself a Christian nation. It is a Christian nation in Russia today. And Putin recognizes that and preserves that.

They also believe in the sanctity of the family. They believe in absolutely advancing the interests of their people. They were on the right side of this war in Syria. They were supporting the government of Syria against the ISIS murderers, and beheaders, and rapists, and savages of ISIS and al-Nusra, while our government literally has been supporting the jihadists.

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old comment by Swede

No, Russia is not communist, under Putin it's conservative and Russian Orthodox. But they are still your enemy, and ours. In Europe, Putin is often called Putler, Putlin or Stalin 2.0. According to the 2012 Global Peace index, Russia was the sixth least peaceful country, of the 162 surveyed countries.

Sure, there is more freedom in Russia now, than during the Soviet Era, but not much. People are allowed to travel, and to hoard riches. But damned be those who work against the current government; they are jailed, killed or just disappear. Human rights organizations constantly criticize Russia for its lack of basic human rights and its persecution of independent journalism.

What traditional American values? Banning homosexuals (more or less)? Keeping women as tied to the stove as possible? Increase in human trafficking since the collapse of the Soviet Union? The first country in the world to allow legal abortions (in 1920) and the country with the highest rate of abortions per woman of childbearing age in the world, in 2010. Perhaps it's the Russian Orthodox Church calling feminism a "mortal sin". Yeah, that will be it, right?

Your Founding Fathers worked hard to make sure that the US they created was a secular nation, NOT a Christian nation. You flunked History and Social Studies, didn't ya?

Sure, they believe in absolutely advancing the interest of their people. Unless they are poor, or disabled, or unwanted by their parents, or women, or gays, or other minorities, or journalists with differing opinions, or...

They WERE on the right side of this war in Syria? Did they change sides last night, or what? The war is still going on, and most of the rest of the world is agreeing that the dictator and domestic terrorist Assad has to be replaced. Russia is also supporting the government of Syria against the rebel troupes trained and financed by the US of A (troupes that ar fighting both the government AND Daesh). (Saudi Arabia beheads more people than the Daesh does, btw. Who's their bestest buddy? You might soon be their only buddy, as most of the Middle East grows tired of their Wahhabi-ism and support of Daesh...)

You do know that the war in Syria has several different aggressors right? The government, several different rebel troupes (who fight against each other as well), Daesh, Kurdish Peshmerga troupes, etc. And then the Russian troupes, the US troupes, the Turkish troupes. The civil population is stuck in the middle of all this fighting.

old comment by SpukiKitty

LET'S TACKLE DAVEY DOOKIES' DOO DOO, SHALL WE?....

Russia’s not, by the way, Communist. Those who don’t understand that anymore, the media tries to portray them still as our enemy. They’re not our enemy. They should be our friend. They’re actually more free and more consistent with traditional American values than we are.
They're not Communist, but they are Plutocratic and Authoritarian....That is NOT FREEDOM! They do not represent the ideals of The Age Of Reason in which this nation was founded!

We used to call ourselves in this country even though we always argued, and we believed in freedom of religion, and freedom of thought and those things we’ve always called ourselves a Christian nation.
Freedom of Religion means FREEDOM of RELIGION! Freedom of Religion....Freedom for ALL PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Pagan, Indigenous American, New Age, Taoist, Discordian, Jedi, etc.) TO PRACTICE THEIR FAITH (or no faith at all)! That is Freedom of Religion!

Our leaders from the time of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and other leaders all throughout American history called ourselves a Christian nation.They don’t call us a Christian nation anymore.
WHERE?! Show me the documents and letters that have been verified by their estates! The Founders were mostly Deists, nominal Christians, Unitarians, Agnostics and Freemasons! They based the Constitution on the Principles of The Age of Reason aka The Enlightenment. They were Enlightenment thinkers. They had more in common with Voltaire than Cromwell!

But guess what? Russia the former Communist state formally calls itself a Christian nation. It is a Christian nation in Russia today. And Putin recognizes that and preserves that.
A crappy Demiurgic Barabban type of "Christianity" for sure.....but I doubt that Putin believes any of it. He's a former KGB agent and basically want to bring back The Soviet Union (but with a religious veneer).

They also believe in the sanctity of the family. They believe in absolutely advancing the interests of their people. They were on the right side of this war in Syria. They were supporting the government of Syria against the ISIS murderers, and beheaders, and rapists, and savages of ISIS and al-Nusra, while our government literally has been supporting the jihadists.
I haven't been following the Syrian War thing closely but all three of them, Russia, Syria and DAESH, have blood on their hands! There's little Black & White in the whole mess. Also; WE have been bombing the snot out of DAESH and have been working tirelessly to counter-act the propaganda they spew. Don't forget; Osama Bin Laden was found and KILLED under Obama's watch! The West LOATHES WAHABBI TERRORISM WITH A FROTHING PASSION! Finally; Supporting Muslims and hating Islamophobia does not mean we love terrorists because UNLIKE YOU, WE KNOW THAT MOST MUSLIMS ARE GOOD PEOPLE WHO HATE TERRORISM AS MUCH AS WE DO!

So; Davy Dinka-Dinka-Doo-Doo the Bedsheet Boy....Real, Red-Blooded, Mom-And-Apple-Pie, Gosh-By-Golly, Star-Spangled, All-American Values are PROGRESSIVE VALUES!!

Look up "Freedom" in the dictionary! See what a hypocrite you are!

And why should you care for and endorse Christianity....A religion of a swarthy, Mid-Eastern Proto-Hippie Jewish Itinerant Rabbi Yogi Avatar of the Hebrew/Jewish Deity?

As much as I loathe the Wotanists for making the NeoPagan Asartu path look bad, at least their choice of religious tradition makes more sense!

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Russia’s not, by the way, Communist

This might seem an odd thing to say, but such things have to be explained to the kind of people who read David Duke.

They’re actually more free and more consistent with traditional American values than we are.

If, as I suspect, by "more free and more consistent with traditional American values," Duke means more violent, racist, homophobic and given to the killing of people you don't like, then he has a point.

formally calls itself a Christian nation

The operative word here is "formally."

They were supporting the government of Syria against the ISIS murderers, and beheaders, and rapists, and savages of ISIS and al-Nusra

They've also been supporting the gassing of civilians, the bombing of hospitals and attacks on secular and Kurdish fighters. Of course you think that intervention is right and Russia is on the right side.

(Hasan Prishtina posted this)

old comment by Nomen Nescio

@Spak: even i wouldn't go nearly that far. i was saying Russian Orthodox xians aren't particularly similar to the kind of American Protestants whom Duke and his supporters are likely to think are the only "true" xians. considering that these are the sorts of people often given to proclaiming Catholics as "not real xians", they'd likely say the same of Orthodox folk if they had any experience with such. but that's their own insular xenophobia, not a reliable definition of who counts as a "real xian".

(and who do i, the atheist, count as a "real xian"? for lack of a universally agreed-upon --- in practice, not in theological seminaries --- definition, i say "anyone who's willing to proclaim themselves as such, and live with the associations that brings upon them". if anybody's got a more practically workable definition, by all means, let's use that.)

old comment by JeanP

They’re actually more free and more consistent with traditional American values than we are.

The only American values Putin is consistent with is the ones espoused by the Illinois politicians: Russia is a kleptocracy and a mobocracy, albeit better hidden by ultranationalism than under Yeltsin.

But guess what? Russia the former Communist state formally calls itself a Christian nation.

And Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist, among the four faiths their Constitution speak as having played a role in the Russian history.

They were supporting the government of Syria against the ISIS murderers, and beheaders, and rapists, and savages of ISIS and al-Nusra, while our government literally has been supporting the jihadists.

To the latest news, their soldiers poured soil and poison on food for an assieged town.
They ahave also the habit of bombing and gassing their population, along with the usual torture basements.

@Grey Rook

He was a KKK Great Wizard, a U.S. Senator and nearly failed to be elected governor of Louisiana.

old comment by Canadiest

Russia never outlawed Christianity, it only curbed it's power. Europe did this piece by piece, lordship by counties until the royalty took the hint and removed it's vicious armies, like Russia it got downright nasty as those clergy did not want to release that power.

I'll repeat this: I want to see investigations and fraud charges brought onto multiple groups who used this ignorance of Russia to con money for decades for "Bibles for Russia" bullshit. Fucking fraud beyond their usual lies.

In case y'all haven't noticed, Putin is indistinguishable from Russias other dictators. Up until his support for criminalizing homosexuality and joining with Russia well established religious leaders Y'all claimed he was the devil incarnate. Like you worship and claimed a quarterback was the best only because of his public praying stunts, it's the Tim Tebow effect.