Another game atheists play
We don't buy the fact that atheists believe that God is imaginary. Do atheists complain about:
1) The Big bad wolf? No.
2) Scylla and Charybdus? No.
3) Sightings of Mary that one poster here keeps bringing up? No.
4) Darth Vader? No.
5) The wicked witch of the West? No.
6) The Borg from Star Trek? No.
Nor any other wicked character they believe is fictious. Atheists don't criticize, judge, or curse the above characters nor would they if other people believed they were real. And they certainly don't feel threatened by the acts of the above characters as they feel about God's warnings about hell. Would they be threatened if we tell them that the big bad wolf is going to come and eat them up? No. Oh, they might lie for the sake of debate and claim they would be, but then they would look even more foolish. But they have told us they consider hell a threat.
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Imagine this:
Let's say that 80% of a country's population believed that hurricanes and tornadoes were caused by the Big Bad Wolf in the sky. These people go around and burn down straw and wooden houses because they are just inviting the wrath of the Big Bad Wolf. They even push for legislation to criminalize any houses not made of bricks. They also have a major presence in the media calling for mandatory sacrifices of pigs to appease the Big Bad Wolf.
Carico, would you consider the people I just described to be idiots? Would you criticize, judge, or curse them if they came to your house and declared it unfit in the eyes of the Big Bad Wolf and thus deserved to be burned down before He blew it down?
We don't care about the fictional characters themselves, we care about the people willing to sacrifice the earth's livelihood so that they can continue to believe in them.
How many millions of non-Star Wars fans have been killed in Vader's name? You tell me that, asshat.
How many times have Scylla and/or Charybdus's followers woke me up before ten in the morning? Well...I'm waiting, you stupid shit.
Arghhhh.
If a wide range of people believed any of those characters were real and used their belief in them to peddle their breed of harmful ignorance than I wouldn't be silent. However, that doesn't happen as anyone who does believe in them is automatically deemed crazy and they are taken to places where they can receive treatement. Therefore, I have nothing to speak out about where they are concerned since I happen to like fictional characters and even think the Bible is an interesting look into the creative minds of early Humans just as any other mythology is.
God's warnings about hell.
Excuse me, but no god has ever given me a warning about anything. The only ones who would ever give me "warnings" that I am going to hell are crazy religious nuts that decide that if they scream it enough, it must be true. However, it holds about as much weight as the idea that if children are bad they will get coal for Christmas from Santa. If I cared about the idea that I might go to hell (which is insane since I don't believe it exists - get that into your thick skull) I would simply devote myself to your sky fairy as I have no reason not to other than I don't believe he's real nor do I believe any type of life after death is real. I know its hard to believe, but an atheist isn't someone who simply turned their back on your god or someone who tries to pretend like god doesn't exist (when they really know he does) just so they don't have to follow his rules. It may make you feel better to think so, but since the point of your thread was to question why atheists speak out about your god, I have to then question why you are so hung up on atheists.
Well, see, most people DON'T believe in those things, but if you don't believe in the one imaginary being that nearly everyone else does, then they look at you like you're crazy.
No I don't . I have ne fear of hell or going to hell be sent hell or condemd to hell. Because it no more real than
say Atlantis, Santa village in the north pole ,,Never Never Land or the planet Vulcan...
They are all fictional places to me . .
But the hell on earth is real threat . for instance , the hell those poor soul who lived and diied in the Nazi death camps or .the hell of living in war zone ,the hell of surviving a earth quake or any other natural or man made disaster ,. I might be afraid of the concept of hell I m not afraid of the place called hell that your great sky daddy want to condemned to in my afterlife
Okay, number one: "fictious" is not a word. You may use 'fictitious' or 'fiction' but you can't just delegate an intermediate word for yourself purely because you're a fundie.
Second: the reason atheists never mention any of those fictional characters is because the wide concensus among the world's population is that they are, indeed, make-believe. We devote all our energy into debating that which is widespread; namely, the fictional deities of organised religions like Judaism and its derivatives Islam and Christianity.
Okay? Are we done yet?
Good.
Now shut up.
We're even! We don't buy the fact that you can't tell science from religion. Or the fact that you can't tell an agnostic, an atheist, a satanist, a pagan, and a Muslim apart.
None of the above listed characters have caused any genocides (I'd say deaths, but I'm sure there's a few darwin awards out there involving imitating vader... or, in big bad wolf's case; furries).
To my knowledge, no one has commited such atrocities in their names either.
Your 'gawds' on the other hand... lots and lots and lots of killing in their name. And attacks on various freedoms, thoughts, liberties, rights, dignity... oh and torture...
You don't see easter-bunny believers preaching against the tooth-fairy and killing those that won't lay eggs...
If they brought that utter shite from Star Wars into a physics class there'd be complaints-a-plenty!
Fiction does not belong in a science class, no matter how ancient.
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And yes - we do laugh at your sorry ass!
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And of course, if anyone believed in God, how could they be stupid enough to ignore something that petty and fatuous and egotistical and homicidal.
Dear Carico,
When in debates you might consider invoking one of those listed above for guidance and support. After all, they are as real as the biblical sky ghost and his mewling brat you currently, and uselessly, pray to.
I can't recall ever reading where an atheist feared hell. Carico, you're lying again. That breaks one of the commandments.
Your opening statement is also a lie. If anyone came to the fstdt site and genuinely believed, and tried to promulgate the belief that any of those fictional characters were real, they would be mocked, believe me.
For a "true christian", you lie, a lot.
You believe in hell, you should then fear it for your sins. Unrepentant sins. You are an unrepentant liar!
Carico dear, could it be because nobody uses Scylla and Carybdys, the Big Foot and Darth Vader to send us to Hell?, or because everytime we name them we make sure we insist in their fictional character?
Well, does anyone preach the authority of:
1) The Big bad wolf? No.
2) Scylla and Charybdus? No.
3) Sightings of Mary that one poster here keeps bringing up? Yes, and atheists complain about that too.
4) Darth Vader? Yes, but that's more of a thing for 35 year old men who live in basements and are no threat to the lives of others today.
5) The wicked witch of the West? No.
6) The Borg from Star Trek? See #3.
Once again Carico aims at the target and fails to even hit the wall.
Atheists don't complain about God. They never have. Atheists do occasionally complain about God's followers , but only when those followers attempt to force them to believe in God or comply with the million-and-two nitpicky, none-of-your-business "rules" they believe God has handed down to them against their will.
Well, atheists don't criticize, judge, or curse Jesus in their daily conversations, either.
It's just when we're arguing with people like Carico here that we criticize or judge Jesus.
Unfortunately, since the only contact Carico seems to have with atheists is when we're arguing, her perception of how we talk is very skewed. I wish it weren't so, otherwise we'd probably get along better.
so, in one post:
-you set up 6 strawmen, that people allegedly believe in...
-compare god to 6 strawmen..
-all six strawmen are fictional, made by man and evil...
I applaude you...No anti-christians coudl've done a better job
"We don't buy the fact that atheists believe that God is imaginary."
Good, you admit that atheists beliving that God is imaginary is a fact.
"Atheists don't criticize, judge, or curse the above characters nor would they if other people believed they were real."
We don't because most people don't claim that those characters are real. They don't try to pass laws based on what the wicked witch of the west said, nor teach their children to pray to Darth Vadar.
"But they have told us they consider hell a threat."
No, atheist ever told you s/he considers hell to be a threat. Push that assertion back up your butt where you found it.
Just when I think she's plumbed the depths she goes that little bit lower. I swear, she's the Mariana Trench of ignorance and illogic.
No, wait, the Trench has a bottom...
Nor any other wicked character they believe is fictious. If you're going to lump your deity in with wicked characters, I'm certainly not going to argue.
"Captain! Unidentified vessel off the port bow!"
"Get it on the viewscreen!"
(image of giant, crucifix shaped spaceship)
"WE ARE FUNDIE. WE SEEK ONLY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF SALVATION TO ALL SPECIES. WHY DO YOU RESIST? LOWER YOU WEAPONS AND PREPARE TO BE CONVERTED...."
They were cleverly defeated however, by uploading Sam Harris and Charles Darwin books into their mainframe, causing them to explode in a mighty blast of logic.
Sorry, but who thinks these characters are real? I don't anyone who would ever believe it at all. If someone came up to me and said,
"You know, I reckon Darth Vader really did exist, a long time ago, in a galaxy far away"
I would think they were insane, and would call up Bedlam.
The difference between God and (most) of those other things is that nobody is attempting to say that those things are real and making policies based on the supposed will of Darth Vader, the Wicked Witch of the West and the Big Bad Wolf. If people were trying to make policies based on the supposed will of other fictional characters I would most certainly protest.
I like fiction, I like fiction a lot. I read a lot of fiction. I just don't like it when people confuse fiction with reality and try to push their confusion upon others.
PS: The Bible is a particularly badly plotted piece of fiction. Great turns of phrase, but lots of plot holes.
I don't consider Hell an ACTUAL threat in the sense that I am actually threatened by being told I'm going there, I consider being told I'm going to go to Hell a threat because that is the intent of the person saying it. They are trying to scare me, that their threats are ineffectual doesn't mean they aren't threats. Just very lame threats.
When people are adamantly claiming that I have to conduct my life according to the will of the Big Bad Wolf, I will start criticizing them.
We don't criticize, judge or curse your God, we criticize, judge or curse fundamentalists (regardless of religion). As none of the fictional characters that you mention have rabid followers, we have no-one to debate with about them.
When you people say "Do this or you end up in Hell" that IS a threat from your side. We don't really feel threatened, though, as we don't believe in Hell either. We just wonder why you are gloating at the idea of us burning forever.
as an atheist I know from the news reports that the Borg only become a problem in the far future. (captains logs from the Enterprise)
Dorothy took care of the Wicked witches as dramatised by Judy Garland.
Darth Vader is redeemed in Star Wars x.
Big bad wolf was burned up when he tried coming down the pigs chimeny.
Try some real threats.
Do 4 in 5 of your countrymen base their life on their belief in Darth Vader? Do they inaccurately proclaim that this is a Sith Nation?
Do they want cheap science-fiction taught as science in classrooms?
By the way, how come you only came up with imaginary BAD GUYS to associate with your god?
The first reply to this ridiculous assertion was brilliant. If Patches is still around on this board five years down the line, congratulations sir/madam.
I feel no more threatened by god than I do by Darth Vader or the big bad wolf, because I don't believe any of them exists. The problem is not god. It's his fucking lunatic fan club.
1) Illustrations in books of fairytales
2) Although she died recently, the famous Liverpool singer Ms. Black existed.
3) I saw Drew Pritchard in a room almost full of Marys at a religious sculpture business in Liverpool in an edition of "Salvage Hunters" yesterday.
4) Dave Prowse.
5) The musical "Wicked" is on at the Apollo Theatre, near Victoria Station in London.
6) Professor Kevin Warwick: expert in Cybernetics who has chips implanted into his arm.
Scarlett Johansson given the blessing of Masamune Shirow to play Major Motoko Kusanagi in the forthcoming live-action "Ghost in the Shell" film. I can buy the fact that 'Beat' Takeshi Kitano will be her boss Aramaki.
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...oh, and thank you for admitting that Morgan Freeman is God then, Carico. 'Hell'? id Software's already got that covered: just a 'Hell Marine' & Praetor Armour, Argent Spheres, Gauss Cannons, Plasma Rifles, BFG 9000s & a Crucible Hellblade; with 'Quad Damage' incorporated into that from the "Quake" games, all it'd take is just a Strogg Hovertank from "Quake IV" in a potential "DOOM V", and it'll be a case of in Soviet Heaven, God is threatened by you . [/Judges 1:19] >:D
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