i wondered how long it would be before some heretic started harping on how Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexualism, it's one of the falsehoods they try to fob off on us as some sort of endorsement of that perversion. in fact, Jesus was very clear that not one letter or penstroke of the Law would change, and that includes the Law against homosexual behaviour. there are numerous other examples where He condemns all such abominations. i recommend you not attempt to instruct me in what you yourself do not understand.
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Funny thing, not only is it absolutely true that Jesus never said a word about homosexuality (other than to praise a man who may have been gay) but there is not one word in the bible that could honestly be interpretted as being opposed to abortion. (Since the bible makes it clear that fetuses are not considered to have the same value as people and that even newborns are not to be counted in censuses and the like until they're at least a month old). Of course, fundies like our friend Jehane never seem to let honesty get in the way of them spewing out mindless dogma.
Ok, can you mention a single verse in which Jesus condenms homosexuality?, NO SIR, because there aren´t. It´s St Paul, and not particularly prodigal on words, by the way. Second, he didn´t come to change the law, but he subverted the one on adultery and divorce, on Sabbath observance and forbidden animals. So, yes, HE CHANGED THE LAW. We understand better than you and those thousands examples don´t exist.
@Jezebel's Evil Sister - There's Exodus 21:22, which says if a man hurts a woman and causes her to miscarry, he has to pay the woman's husband (unless she dies too, in which case he gets executed). In other words, it would seem that in the OT, killing a woman was murder, but killing a fetus was like killing one of the husband's sheep.
Why would anyone here bother? Everyone knows Fundies ALMOST NEVER, EVER quote Jesus, it is always something from PAUL! You really need to change the name of your religion to the "Pauline" religion to avoid false advertising!
Jesus was very clear that not one letter or penstroke of the Law would change
Oh dear, I can imagine all the sinners going to hell for eating ham on Easter, the holiest day of the Christian year!
in fact, Jesus was very clear that not one letter or penstroke of the Law would change, and that includes the Law against homosexual behaviour.
Ever done anything on the Sabbath?
there are numerous other examples where He condemns all such abominations.
Cite?
Burnt Bush you're absolutely right
Facts: Thirtythree year old carpenter, never married, wears a dress to work, hangs around with twelve other guys, encourages married man,Peter, to leave his wife and family and go with him, always greets his possee with kisses, yep he sounds like a flamer to me.
He is correct that in the Bible Jesus supports all the OT law. Of course then Jesus doesn't follow all the OT law.
Paul, in an effort to evangelize the pagans, says that OT law no longer applies.
So, once again, the Bible provides conflicting directions except for providing another great reason not to be a Xian.
This is stupid, because no fundie will EVER try to tell you that eating shellfish is an abomination, even though it says so in Leviticus 11:9-12. The vast majority will even comveniently ignore Leviticus 20:13, which prescribes the death penalty for gays.
Hey, I'm all ears [figuratively speaking]. Give us the verse number and we'll see what this is all about. Until then, shut the fuck up.
And while we are on the subject, it seems that god hates figs too. That's right, the fruit. Here it is.
The Law also includes such goodies as:
1. The various laws dealing with extreme taboos on menstruating women.
2. Laws about animal sacrifices for almost every minor transgression.
3. Laws against body art. Too bad for all the Christians with cross tattoos.
Oh, and as far as I know, the Bible says nothing about lesbians. Just male homosexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.
*sighs* I cannot remember the exact verse, but...
"And the old world shall pass away, and the old laws, and the new world will take its place."
Jesus said that.
Ahem, Jehane, could you change your screen name? You're insulting my Teacher, actually, by using it.
Frank, of course Jesus had a girlfriend.
"Master, we think you're spending too much time with that woman and not enough with us. Plus, you kiss her on the mouth all the time, and that bothers us."
"What, you want that I should love you as I love her?"
Gospel of Philip.
Actually, 'homosexualism' is a word. It is for homosexuals what 'feminism' is for females.
... so Jesus was OK with men just sleeping with each other (homosexuality) but not nagging about it like some Daffyd (homosexualism)?
Fine.
Don't eat pork.
Don't shave.
Don't wear polyblend.
Don't mix crops.
Menstruating women are off limits, and will now have to be put into isolation as to not render anything unclean.
No working on the Sabbath.
If you're a woman, you will be sold into slavery as soon as we can find a buyer.
The list goes on...
If you're gonna impose Levitican law, don't cherry pick.
What difference does it make if Jesus states "all the old laws stand" if none of you live by those old laws?
Go ahead , live by the Old Testament laws, good luck with that. Hopefully someone in your family or town will tell us which particular weird Biblical practice gets you fired and which one gets your ass thrown in jail.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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