The ironic thing is if the standards were applied equally, we're among the only men that are NOT rapists.
Since the definition of "rape" has gone from "sex without consent" to "sex a woman does not enjoy" that makes all non-incel straight men rapists. The idea of a woman enjoying sex is for the most part male fantasy. Women use sexuality to get things (money, attention, etc.) but hate the act itself. That's another reason I want a sexless relationship, neither of us would enjoy it. I'm too black pilled to play such a childish make pretend game. If I'm gonna LARP I'd rather do so on the computer as a good looking 2d character from a Mongolian toilet repair series.
But I find it ironic that men who have engaged in intercourse (Or "piv" as millennials call it) an act that is inherently uncomfortable (and often painful) for a woman, who would rather be doing anything else ... and then come here and call a group of kissless hugless virgins "rapists" . And of course those comments get le upboats because this is reddit.
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Rape is still sex without consent, not unenjoyable sex. All the sex I've tried with a man was sex I didn't enjoy. One man it was painful and the other I felt nothing. Still not rape because I consented. That's how it works.
You're most likely asexual heteroromantic if you want a sexless relationship with a women. That doesn't make you wrong or broken. Get out of your echoe chamber and I think you'll realize it's ok to not want sex.
Remain celibate, please, as you so obviously understand nothing about sex from the viewpoint of either a male or a female. If you are in a loving relationship and she still doesn't like sex, then probably you are just DOING IT WRONG, because you should expect (and want) her to enjoy it.
So what about long term relationships, what about times when the woman initiates sex, what about sex with "Chad"?
Incels have created a world view so completely divorced from reality that they might as well not be in this universe.
Wouldn't call most incels rapists. Just wannabe rapists.
A lot of women don't enjoy sex much with men because their male partner doesn't care about any pleasure beyond his own immediate gratification. Those men don't get to enjoy sex nearly as much as they could because women aren't especially inclined to find ways to enhance his experience if they're not getting much out of it.
...Unless their enjoyment is largely based on sadistically denying pleasure to others. If the other person isn't into that, then that's called "being an asshole" ...and compared to what most of them deserve to be called, that's fairly polite!
Since I've experienced what it's like to be partners who try to maximize the enjoyment of each others' experiences, I'm never going back to being with selfish losers. And incels are, by their own standards, even lower than the selfish losers I've been with.
"The idea of a woman enjoying sex is for the most part male fantasy."
My girlfriend can attest against this. If anything, she finds the sex more enjoyable than I do, and she constantly hitting me up for it.
@Jamaican Castle:
"Millenials don't call it that, honey. Only crazy radfems who think it's a tool of male oppression call it that."
Um, no. All sorts of people use PIV as a shorthand for "penis-in-vagina" as a concession that not all sexual acts are PIV.
Unless you're referring to the conflation of "PIV" and "intercourse", which is debatable at best and probably incorrect usage of those words. But that's not particularly confined to millenials either.
@2024466: I've certainly never heard that term in a context that doesn't get quoted on here. It may be more widespread than I've been led to believe, but I hardly think of it as a mainstream thing.
Of course, I can never tell if I'm actually a millenial or not. It feels like it changes from year to year... So it may be that my peers are/were a bad sample set.
Since the definition of "rape" has gone from "sex without consent" to "sex a woman does not enjoy"
Never happened. Stop using brain-damaged Croatians as your source of definitions.
that makes all non-incel straight men rapists. The idea of a woman enjoying sex is for the most part male fantasy.
It's only a "fantasy" if you're a self-centered asshole who doesn't give a single shit about their partner's pleasure.
an act that is inherently uncomfortable (and often painful) for a woman
The only possible way the entire act is painful for a woman is if you are actively and completely fucking up at fucking. Which, again, you would only do if you don't give a shit about your partner.
and then come here and call a group of kissless hugless virgins "rapists".
Always prefixed with "wannabe", that's a big difference. You self-centered fucks are exactly the sort of people who would go out and rape people, fortunately for the rest of the world you're too lazy and entitled to put forth the effort.
I guess I'm not a rapist, because the few times I have had sex, the woman definitely enjoyed it.
But this whole quote is just a solid load of WTF.
Why do these men continue to insist women don't enjoy sex?
For the umpteenth time, women enjoy sex. Some women choose sleazebags because they themselves are sleazebags. If you were truly a Nice Guy, you'd have no problem in getting together with a "Nice Girl" (regardless of her appearance, even as you expect women to disregard yours).
Quid pro quo. The Golden Rule and all that. Seems a whole lot of incels missed those lessons.
I'm a gay man, and even I know that women can enjoy sex. A lot even. You might need to rethink on that one.
And rape is not defined as sex women did not enjoy. The key to whether it's rape or not is consent.
Rape is still sex without consent.
All non-incel straight men are so bad in bed that no women enjoy sex with them? Says who? All the women you supposedly know?
Women do enjoy sex. I know because I'm a woman myself and I enjoy sex. You just have to realize that sex is equal parts erection and lubrication. Without lubrication, sex is indeed not enjoyable.
If you want a sexless relationship and hate sex, then you're not an “incel” but a “volcel”, silly-nilly.
How do you know so much about what is uncomfortable or painful for women? PIV is just one form of intercourse. Like I said before, if the woman is properly lubricated, piv is neither uncomfortable nor painful for most women. And no, I do not mean lubrication with artificial gels, but with natural stimulation.
We call you "wannabe rapists", as most of you state loud and clear that you'd rape a woman if you had the chance, and that the laws against rape are ludicrous. You don't seem to be quite like that.
@#2024445
A lot of women don't enjoy sex much with men because their male partner doesn't care about any pleasure beyond his own immediate gratification. Those men don't get to enjoy sex nearly as much as they could because women aren't especially inclined to find ways to enhance his experience if they're not getting much out of it.
I do not understand why anyone would be so neglectful. My sexual fantasies have always been strongly to primarily focussed on pleasuring her.
(I think the rest of the crazy has been thoroughly addressed, so...)
"If I'm gonna LARP I'd rather do so on the computer as a good looking 2d character... "
You know that "LARP" means "Live-Action Role Play" and you have to go outside and interact with other actual human beings, right? o_O
>(A)n act that is inherently uncomfortable (and often painful) for a woman, who would rather be doing anything else.
Thank you for once again driving home how you manbabies have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Just because women don't want to fuck you, don't think that they don't want to fuck other guys and enjoy it.
A translation of the "sex a woman doesn't like is rape" bit: I believe this refers to, most likely, the "preponderance of the evidence" standard used by many colleges to adjudicate sexual assault claims. In those proceedings (which are not a court of law), the mere accusation is often enough. Thus, it is possible for a woman to claim she was raped, even if she consented, and have the man kicked out of university. This has happened in a few cases, but does not seem to be widespread.
In essence, these idiots are looking at a handful of cases in which it appears that there was a miscarriage of justice and declaring that those cases are the system working as intended.
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