[A father whips his two daughters with a cable wire as punishment. The girls are balled into a corner, screaming, crying, and begging him to stop.]
Is anybody but me upset that the Nanny State government is inserting themselves into his private life and trying to tell him how to raise his kids? It’s government overreach. This government interference with a parents ability to discipline their kids is exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler rose to power. And we all know how that turned out.
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It's not about telling people how they raise their kids. It's about preventing violent physical abuse of human beings.
Someone elsewhere noted that if an adult strikes another adult, it's assault/battery. But when a parent strikes a child, it's child-raising. That's the kind of insanity that we're working against here.
Godwin = instant fail. End of argument.
That beating, though brief, was brutal. I can't imagine how anyone could justify it.
If you have to resort to beating your children with cables then you have failed as a parent (and as a human being).
Is anybody but me upset that the Nanny State government is inserting themselves into his private life and trying to tell him how to raise his kids?
I hope not. What this scumbag is doing isn't discipline, it's abuse.
Hitler
GODWIN! You lose.
Seriously, protecting children from abuse does not lead to Nazi Germany. Stop telling people that everything you oppose leads to Nazism.
1. If Hitler would have stopped parents from whipping their kids, I would give kudos to Hitler for geting something right.
Not wanting kids to be beaten and abused is Hitlerian... Ultra conservatives must live in an alternate dimension. The liberal bias of reality is just too much for them.
And yet, they want the government to interfere in the lives of same sex couples so they can't adopt or foster children, hmmm....
"Is anybody but me upset that the Nanny State government is inserting themselves into his private life and trying to tell him how to raise his kids? It’s government overreach."
Translation: "A Might Makes Right higher-ranked is not getting away with actions towards MMR lower-ranked!! And that's BAD, mm'kay!!
Someone actually defending child abuse. How nice. I wish Sendthemeteors would suffer the same beating those girls received just to see how he likes it.
But remember folks, having children being raised by gay couples is bad, but heterosexual couples beating their children with a cable is good.
Whipping isn't disciplining. Whipping is a sadistic punishment, and it is the whipper who is out of control, not the daughters.
If the daughters are old enough they should bring legal charges against the father. If they are under age, then child protection agency should step in and deal with the vicious bastard. Being a parent means correcting and guiding your child with love - not savage abuse.
This is just horrible. And I'm hoping that Sendthemetoers is a troll and doesn't really believe what he is saying. I hope the "nanny state" lives up to it's name in this instance and takes these children into care.
@MK
Okay, what you're doing here is assuming without any actual consideration that everything that that the government did in pre-war Germany consequently lead to the war.
This is no different than assuming that your underwear is lucky because you scored both times you wore them. It's superstition and you should feel bad.
Hitler also commended staff that quit smoking; are you going to suggest that quitting smoking leads to fascism?
Nazi Gernamy outlawed abortion, gay rights, the teaching of evolution and encouraged citizens to own guns, the better to shoot lower races. And we all know how that turned out.
@MK:
The difference is that there is something called parental responsibility. That is something we do not have for adults. If these kids grow up to be incredibly disruptive members of society through any of the means we see youth growing up nowadays, it is the parents that would be blamed.
Damned if you, damned if you don't.
This has to be the most distastefully frivolous Godwin I've ever seen.
Also, I sincerely hope those kids find a decent foster family, and that animal of a father gets his due time behind bars.
@ 1526318:
I was a "latchkey kid" that had serious problems as a juvenile and as a young adult. I never assaulted anyone, nor did I spend a single day in prison. I am now an average, if not model, citizen. There are probably 20 like me for every one unfortunate that makes the news, because we are boring and not newsworthy.
Parental responsibility should be defined as teaching kids there are consequences to their actions, and being consistent in their application of punishments and rewards - in my opinion. Beating on a kid is alpha monkey crap. We can do better.
Edit: Did anyone else see the OP's handle as "sendthermometers?" I need new glasses!
I'm okay with occasionally slapping a kid upside the head when they do something stupid(not with full force). I got it when I was a kid, and it seems to help get the attention of a few of them if you give them a good reason to pay attention to you first since sometimes words don't do the job.
But all out beating them with a fist, or a weapon?
Fuck you.
Fuck you and your righteous indignation.
In Glenn Beckistan, Hitler rose to power because of preventing child abuse. And communism. And environmental friendliness.
Look, because you seem to suffer from terminal stupidity, I'll explain it to you- just because America is a free country, doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. The reason we have laws is because your rights and liberties END where another person's rights BEGIN.
We should whip that moron within an inch of his life. He could then shut up, after all, why would the governement insert itself inot our and his life. It would be government overreach, after all and according to him.
Erm, it's rather the other way around; Hitler was all for corporal punishment, parental rights over children, and Ordnung Muss Sein. And we all know how that turned out.
Almost all countries in the world have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which says that children have rights of their own, among others; to be protected from abuse or exploitation (and from excessive interference into their lives).
Send the Meteors, from his profile, appears to be a liberal. The other posts by him are quite sensible.
It is more than likely he was 'running it up the flagpole and seeing who salutes it', or making a sarcastic point, or simply trolling.
This government interference with a parents ability to discipline their kids is exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler rose to power.
And you are a lying sack of shit, the worst possible human scum, no such thing was the reason Hitler came to power. You are fucking mentally retarded!
You don't seem to understand... they are children, and female ones at that. According to fundies, a woman submits to her father until she gets married, at which point her submission is transferred to her husband. Since women are property in fundieland, the state stepping in and preventing a father from beating the crap out of his children (especially daughters) is overreaching.
And if you can throw a quick Godwin into an argument, why not?
I think I've been around fundies too long when I understand why they argue a certain way and am not fazed that they'd defend child abuse.
If one person whips another with cable wire, it's be assault and a crime, but if a father does it to his children, it's "discipline"? WTF?
SpukiKitty:
Thank you, karma. :o)
If this isn't an attempt to be ironic, then you sir need the formal introduction to Smacky.
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Smacky is my baseball bat, in case you were wondering.
I think this comment highlights a major error in the English language. We use the exact same grammar construct to represent "the one associated with me" as to represent "the one I own". Both use the "possessive" form. You say "my kids" and "my wife" and "my father" and "my street" in exactly the same way that you say "my car" or "my house" or "my money".
Yet they mean VERY different things.
You don't *own* your kids like property. But the language makes it look like you do. A lot of faulty libertarian thinking comes from this error, and this post is an example of it.
You don't own your kids. They're not property. You're they're stewards, not their owners.
You know what? You are wrong in every way possible, Sendthemeteors. If the government steps in to arrest you after you beat your daughters with a cable wire , then that's not "a nanny state inserting themselves into your private life and telling you how to raise your kids", that's justice being served and an abuser being taken off the streets.
And preventing child abuse is what the Nazi's would have done? Wrong. Nazi's were all for corporal punishment, and the government looked the other way because they thought that that was how you were supposed to raise children. They were wrong, and they paid the price. If anyone's the Nazi in this situation, it's you , Sendthemeteors, for using their parenting tactics.
I don't often say things like this, but I'm glad that you were arrested. I'm glad because the government did its job and protected its citizens from someone who was harming them and felt no remorse whatsoever over it. You deserved this, Sendthemeteors, and until you realize this, I don't want to see your username ever again.
Peace out.
A cable wire? Damn, my idea of physical punishment is a Gibbs-style smack to the head: quick, easy, and leaves its impression.
Zero to Godwin in three sentences! It's a new record!
Also, of all the things Nazi Germany suppressed, I don't think corporal punishment was high on the list.
Also also, Sendthemeteors, you're a despicable person. I honestly, truly wish you would keel over dead as I type this.
"This government interference with a parents ability to discipline their kids is exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler rose to power."
Yes, the Nazis were well known for their opposition to violence.</sarcasm>
@Homeschool Hero:
Sendthemeteors wasn't the perpetrator, he was defending the perpetrator. It's still godawful, but slightly less so.
@Steven Mading:
Very true! Perhaps a new grammatical form is in order - say, a distinct English genitive case?</languagegeeking>
I was hit with cable wire by accident once, and not even very hard. It stung like mad and left a massive red mark. In other words, this isn't about telling parents how to raise their kids, its about the kids' basic safety. Your right to swing your fist ends where the other guy's nose begins.
@Wehpudicabuk
Oh... well that's kind of embarrassing.
It doesn't make Sendthemeteors any less of an awful person, though.
I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing were it you in that situation.
At least that guy's been arrested, not that it'll undo much of the damage already done to these poor kids.
I absolutely concur. It's shameful that the liberal Catholic Satanist Nazi Government interferes with parents who are just doing their rightful jobs as disciplinarians. Children who speak out against their parents disobey God's direct orders in the Bible, and they must be punished for it. The reason society is so consumed by decadence today is because good Christian parents can no longer discipline their kids in the way of Godliness.
More depressing than the original quote.
The many, many others in support calling these children 'skanks' and 'whores' and statements to the affect that 'i was beaten when I was a child so these little bitches can get traumatized too!'
Lady Hylia wrote:If you think the comments on that website were bad then try looking at the Daily Mail comment section...
Incidentally, the Dail Liar is hasving a hissy fit at the moment because the BBC is planning to play a few seconds of 'Ding Dong the Witch is Dead' on the Chart Show (it's currently a best seller in the UK following Thatcher's death).
It's all the more ironic when you recall the bigotry and lies they published on Michael Foot's death.
I just looked at the site the original post is from.
Headline:'Graphic: Dad Brutally Whips Daughters as Punishment for Twerking’ Video' .
Lower down:This story has been updated to clarify that the father charged with beating his daughters might not be related to the graphic video.
WTF is that about?
Well, what if he kills them as the result?. Or better, why not doing it with the rest of the people, random strangers in the street?. Or are you insinuating that the daughters are not human beings and, therefore, not protected in the legal code?
Surely a criminal assault doesn't suddenly stop being a crime if it's committed against ones own children? Although, perhaps it does when one's a twit? Perhaps twits, like biblical literalists, think nothing of abusing their children?
First of all, how fucking dare you invoke Hitler in a situation like this. Second, that pathetic excuse of a father was BEATING his children and should have them permanently taken away and he should be thrown in jail.
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