Firstly, many women who enjoy their careers would still rather be home raising children if they have the option. This is their primary goal and desire. Sometimes they don’t even it realize it themselves. But it’s certainly not deceptive or manipulative. It’s very basic and primal. We call it the maternal instinct.
The second issue – her dependence on you – is also universal. It is in the established nature of male-female relationships that the woman is emotionally dependent on her husband. His love and approval are like oxygen to her. This metaphor is not an exaggeration. If deprived of this support, women feel as if they can’t breathe. And it doesn’t seem to matter how “independent” they were ahead of time.
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For the last time, women are not my two dogs. They are not that dependent on anyone. They do not howl when their husband or whoever leaves the house, and they are perfectly capable of functioning on their own.
But if men's life expectancy isn't as long as women's, and if, in "traditional" marriage, the man is older than the woman, doesn't that at least partially imply that, on average, the woman will have an extended period of time -- around the end of her life when having someone else around might be a good idea -- where she's on her own without a husband? My grandmothers were widowed for 17 and just shy of 15 years before they died. That's a long time to be on your own by just about any standard.
Oh, will all the Biblical Womanhooders just get married to the all MRAs/MGTOWs already and go to live with them at the south pole thus sparing us their noise. If the former want to be Stepford Skivvies, nobody's stopping them. If they think career women are covertly miserable, just leave them alone be "miserable" and mind your own damn business.
The old, "If they don't want to be dominated and impregnated, that's because they really do and it's a reaction formation" pop Freudianism, which was supposed to have been retired in 1965, has been indecently dug out of its old-age home.
"Sometimes they don't even realize it themselves."
There's a good reason for that, you moron. It's because it isn't true.
That emotional dependence runs both ways, otherwise people would never get into relationships. But that's not to say that people can't function if their significant other isn't around. If you can't, then that sounds like you have an obsession.
I'm sure most women would enjoy staying home raising their children if they could. However most people just can't afford to.
dude. keep the women away from me.
no seriously, they scare me.
if you say it one more time that women need men to survive, i'll give you one occasion to shut the fuck up, before calling the psych ward for deprogramming.
@Justanotheratheist
Great comment!
"This is their primary goal and desire. Sometimes they don’t even it realize it themselves."
So, in your omniscience, you know what the primary desires in others are even when those other people don't know? What an arrogant a$$hole.
Wrong! I despise children; my parrot is enough. I do indeed love my man but I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself. I am not asthmatic & can breathe just fine even though he's not here right now.
I could cheerfully punch you in the throat right now.
Yeah, I could totally see all female athletes, astronauts, executives, scientists and politicians preferring to be baby factories who stay home and make no contribution to society over continuing their dream careers. I mean, why would they want to live their dreams and improve society when they can change diapers every day?
This metaphor is not an exaggeration. If deprived of this support, women feel as if they can’t breathe.
That's a natural part of the sucktitude of breaking up. Love is actually literally an addiction (might as well face it). But guess what, it affects men too. And it affects gays and straights alike. This is by no means a phenomenon that only affects women.
Whereas I, of course, don't give a damn if I am deprived of my girlfriend's love and approval. Oh wait, I do. So take your sexism and shove it. Seriously, that's why it's called being in a relationship.
The second issue her dependence on you is also universal. It is in the established nature of male-female relationships that the woman is emotionally dependent on her husband.
Maybe for you lady, but not for me. I don't need someone else to make me a complete person.
(SpukiKitty)*shudders* )"
Aww. It's gonna be okay. *hugs SpukiKitty, then offers to cuddle with her*
Sometimes they don’t even it realize it themselves.
False consciousness? So who's thinking like a communist now?
If deprived of this support, women feel as if they can’t breathe.
No, they can't breathe because they've had the shit beaten out of them by abusive husbands. Divorce courts don't have oxygen tents.
Yeah, right, women want something even though they think they don't. They just want to be homemakers, even though somehow miraculously men can be fathers and do stuff at home and do other crap. Clearly this is above a woman's capacity...
Way to make love and relationships sound like total ass, Jesus Christ.
Firstly, many women who enjoy their careers would still rather be home raising children if they have the option.
Many people, men and women, would rather be home if they have the option. That's why people buy PowerBall tickets or retire when they qualify for a pension.
I don't like my current job very much, but I still rather go to work than staying at home cleaning, cooking, child rearing.
the woman is emotionally dependent on her husband.
Yes, just like goldfish in an aquarium are emotionally dependent on that dumbass who keeps knocking on the glass expecting them to react.
Here is a (partial) list of things Emuna does not know:
@SpukiKitty : Aww! Don't worry, male anglerfish aren't sentient anyway; their brain is barely existent, a tiny fraction of the mass of their testicle. Their independent life is probably pretty miserable anyway.
@Hasan Prishtina: That's fantastic! Both comments! The first is more enjoyable/less dark, the second is... confronting.
@Felix Wilde
Don't worry, male anglerfish aren't sentient anyway; their brain is barely existent, a tiny fraction of the mass of their testicle. Their independent life is probably pretty miserable anyway.
Coincidentally, that's also how people like Emuna Braverman see women. Well, minus the presence of a testicle.
I was already familiar with anglerfish. There is also some type of crab, where the male offers his prospective mate a nice little home in the coral and brings her dainties, but then he fans the water so that the coral grows around her, and then, though a fully functional crab, she must depend on him to maintain her. If he dies or leaves her, she starves. That is rather more like the American pattern.
What people like this dreary bitch maintain, of course, is that women attach themselves to a man and become a brainless *ovary*, which automatically cooks, cleans house, and lays eggs.
The poor thing probably just needs treatment for separation anxiety and extremely low self-esteem. Frankly, I don't think I've ever met a woman, married or single, who would fit this description.
"Firstly, many women who enjoy their careers would still rather be home raising children if they have the option. This is their primary goal and desire. Sometimes they don’t even it realize it themselves."
I would be mad at this as pure BS, but I've heard many people in real life say something along these lines- in regards to the last sentence, exactly those lines. *sigh*
In that case, care to explain two odds of nature?
Nope. I would not rather be home raising children. It's very basic and primal: I'd much rather be working in Milan, Paris, Luxembourg City, Munich, Bangalore, Seoul, Krakow, Prague, Toronto... Oh wait, that's what I've been doing! And my respiration is just fine!
Dont project your Dependent Personality Disorder upon other women, bitch!
As for maternal instinct, not all women have it, or at least not the good kind. I'll just quote Dora of Questionable Content : "It's a good thing she doesn't [trigger Dora's maternal instinct]. My maternal instinct is to eat my young." (hamster style)
Or as Marten puts it: "MOM NOM NOM" :P
(Seriously, though, for some women getting stuck at home taking care of a litter of spawns is pure Hell on Earth. My own mother survived ten years of stay-at-home-momdom without developping severe problems like depression, alcohol or prescription drugs addiction, but she was a lot happier once we were old enough that she could start working again, and not every woman is as lucky/resilient as her)
I know quite a few men who would rather be home raising children too, if they had the option. A colleague of mine takes most of his children's sick-days, and not just because his wife is a manager and he's not. We call it paternal instinct.
Like someone else said above; marriage increases the life expectancy for men, not for women. Men seem to need marriage more than women do. My husband wants my love and approval just as much as I want his.
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