God decides—on Rosh Hashanah, actually—how much money each person needs for his or her tasks in life. Some people are meant to have more money, others are meant to have less. But God apportions the amount, and it’s always for a good, Heavenly Decided reason.
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"Some people are meant to have more money, others are meant to have less. But God apportions the amount, and it’s always for a good, Heavenly Decided reason."
- Oh, you mean like winning a bet with Satan?
So basically every economic decision ever was godditit?
Wow, now they aren't even trying to hide under the guise of ID, they are just saying that everything in world is the way it is because goddidit.
The universe is not the Sims, get over it.
I guess God decided that a lot of people need no money at all, since there's an awful lot of people who, through no fault of their own, don't have a pot to piss in or a bed to kick it under.
So what does this say about the unfortunate folk who live on the street and rummage around in trash cans for something to eat, while many criminals live in mansions and drive Ferraris and Maseratis?
Your God is a douche of unimaginable proportions, if what you say is true. Which, thankfully, it is not.
Could you please explain that to the starving children around the world? You know, the ones that have nothing to eat and no resources to get any food.
If that is your god's idea of a "good heavenly decided reason" then your god is an ass hole and I want nothing to do with it.
So those drug dealers were meant to be swimming in cash, while an honest working class family is forced into a homeless shelter because they could no longer keep up with the mortgage? Damn, your God either has some seriously fucked up priorities, or he's one hell of a party animal.
More pseudo-pious bullshit to excuse an attitude of "fuck the poor". There should be a special place in hell (or within arm's reach of me) for "Christians" who advocate this dreck.
Also, you make your god sound like a psychopath. While I would agree with that, I doubt it's the impression you were going for.
Decides? How? With a dreidel? I know, He telepathically asks us to think of a number between 1 and 10, then the first number we think of seals our fate. All over Africa, people go, "Two... SHIT!"
You show me a criterion. Idiot.
The Talmud does say that God decides on Rosh Hashanah what money people will receive in the following year in the same way as he decides who will live and who will die. Just as you may have an accident, get sick, suffer persecution or die in the space of a year, so you might prosper, win the lottery, lose your job or have your money confiscated; such rapid turns of fortune have been the lot of Jews for many centuries. Rosh Hashanah is a way of thinking about how fickle life can be and to take stock in the days leading up to Yom Kippur. And how does Jewish tradition say you should put your affairs in order? By prayer, yes, but also by apologizing and making good for any wrongdoing, financial or otherwise, in your dealings with others. By resolving to be scrupulously fair in your business. By not exploiting your employees. By giving the poor what they need and no less. This is no more that what Rabbi Hillel said that Torah was - commentary on the Golden Rule. Rosh Hashanah is not an excuse to forget about the poor, Lauren Roth; it is a call to do something about poverty.
While He's deciding, He always has a little green pencil behind His right ear, and He whistles 'the devil went down to Georgia'.
God apportions the amount, and it’s always for a good, Heavenly Decided reason
Then God's a fucking asshole, as if we didn't know that already.
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However, although Lauren Roth doesn't realize that she said it, according to her, if the US Congress votes *for* welfare, then that must be God's will in extension.
Boomerang logic my dear, boomerang logic.
So, are you trying to defending you're being a broke, lazy, sponge or are you trying to defend being a wealthy, cold-hearted a$$hole?
A few things:
1) Everyone here routinely makes fun of the fundies for taking quotes out of context to fit a particular purpose and yet that is what everyone is doing here. Has anyone read the article that this quote comes from? @Hasan (#1590352) is correct in his description of the holidays and then falls into the same trap. The article states: "Money is important. But only as a tool for sustaining our lives or as a tool for helping others. Beyond that, money does not equal your value as a person. A rich man is no more valuable as a person than a poor man." and then "The Jewish attitude towards money is: God gives you money to use for good things, especially for sharing it."
2) @rubber chicken: she is not talking about communism. She is saying that as you work hard to earn an income, don't be upset by not making more than others. There is nothing wrong with someone making lots of money.
3) This might not be obvious to most, but it is highly unlikely that she is talking about anyone other than Jews. In Judaism, the rules (and consequences) are for Jews, outside of the 7 Noahide laws. She is not justifying poverty. She is saying that IF we have financial resources it is our (Jews and anyone else who agrees) obligation to use it to help those in poverty.
4) @Apatheist, this is not related to the Prosperity Gospel in any way. She is not saying that God will make you rich if you just pray / believe more.
But God apportions the amount, and it’s always for a good, Heavenly Decided reason.
And let me guess... Republicans need all the money that God apportions them, don't they? And if you give God so much, he'll return 10 times the amount you give him, right?
Funny how God decides that on that one day... as if he's a busy businessman or is running the universe like a government. You'd think an all-powerful being would just keep distributing the wealth as needed on a daily basis.
@Solomon: That may be, but it doesn't explain why so many people are so needy if God is controlling how much money people get every year.
@ Solomon
Forgive me, Solomon, but I had not read the article, just the quote; more fool me. Now I've seen the article, I agree; this was taken out of context.
@Doubting Thomas, one of the difficulties of being Jewish in a society (for me, the U.S.) so heavily influenced by Christianity is that even those who were either brought up Christian and later rejected it, or who were brought up in a non-religious household, still quite often (though not always) interpret the world from a Christian perspective. Christianity (generally speaking) says, "our rules and ideas apply to everyone", whereas Judaism says, "our rules -- the 613 commandments and their derivatives -- and ideas apply to us while the rest of the world has just the 7 Noahide laws". For example, Jews are commanded to keep kosher, but non-Jews are not. I do not care who eats what, but I do care if the animals are treated poorly or are being hunted into extinction (FYI, cruelty to animals is prohibited as one of the 7 Noahide laws).
So, what I was trying to say in point #3 is that when Ms. Roth says, "God gives you money..." she is speaking to Jews. She is saying, "IF you are Jewish and IF you have money, then God gave it to you to use to help others." She is not talking about why Republicans have money or why anyone is needy. Nor is she saying how any Jew can get more money.
Ms. Roth is answering a teenager who is embarrassed at not having as much money as the neighbors. Her response, even with possibly silly reasoning, is: a) having more money does not make you a better person, b) don't worry about keeping up with the Jones, and c) if you are fortunate enough to have money then you should use it to helps others. How is this a disagreeable message?
God decides who will be crippled and then receive welfare, it makes so much sense.
@Solomon
You do not do good defending backwards nonsense because of your blood relation.
@ SpukiKitty
>> An excuse to be a Randian douche. <<
An excuse not to repay a loan.
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I always find it helpful when someone interprets for me what other people mean when they explain things. Thank you, Solomon.
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@rubber chicken
So, you think there's some "good, heavenly decided reason" that a sleazebag like Mitt Romney deserves wealth so massive that he has elevators for his cars, while millions of decent, hard working people can't even buy health care?
I'm going to have to call bullshit on your litte theory.
@#1590479
So Solomon is Jewish and Lauren Roth is Jewish. How does that make them "blood relations"? Do you have some knowledge of the two of them to which the rest of us are not party? Would you have said the same thing to a black poster complaining that a quote by an African-American columnist on an African-American website had been taken out of context, with little care for the cultural background? Would you have said the same thing about a Scotsman complaining that a quote on a Scottish website was taken out of context, with little care for the cultural background? Sounds like a case for RSTDT.
"The rich man in his castle,
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