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“If I had undeniable evidence for God, I wouldn't be an atheist, now would I?” Francesco Cimmarrusti

This gentleman has highlighted the issue with atheism. They have undeniable evidence, and yet they still profess the foolishness of atheism. There’s a reason for that. First, here’s the undeniable evidence:

1. Creation: The incredible order of Nature, from the atom to the universe. It is scientifically impossible for Nature to have made itself, and it is also scientifically impossible for it to be eternal. There had to be an uncreated First Cause.
2. Conscience: The existence of the God-given, society-shaped conscience. The conscience (“with” “knowledge”) intuitively tells us that we are moral beings, separate from the animals, and therefore responsible to God.
3. Commandments: Our conscience (the “work of the Law” written on our hearts) independent of our will tells us that we have violated the Ten Commandments—showing us that we are sinners, heading for Hell.
4. Conversion: In a moment of time any “atheist” can come to know the God he only knows about, by obeying the gospel. But they refuse to because they love their sin.

Condensed from, “How to Know God Exists.”

28 comments

old comment by Nemo

1. So many strawmen compacted into that one line. While we don't know what came before the Big Bang, and I fully admit that science may never know, it is a massive leap from an unknown first cause to "6000 years ago, the tribal deity of Israel cast a conjuring spell to create everything".
2. There is nothing about the conscience that cannot be explained by natural psychology. I particularly love how Ray admitted that the conscience is shaped by society.
3. So the tribes of North America intuitively knew they had violated commands of Yahweh Sabbaoth, the war god of Israel and Judah? Yeah. Sure.
4. So, confirmation bias. If you mentally and emotionally manipulate yourself into believing that incomprehensible nonsense is true, you will feeeeeeeeeeel that it is true. I have yet to see Ray or any of his followers explain how their "knowing Jesus" is any different from the countless known methods of psychological manipulation.

old comment by Swede

We DON'T have undeniable facts, silly Bananaman. That's why we profess the rationality of atheism.

1. Isn't it even more scientifically impossible for a god to have made itself? The order is not incredible, and even if it were, you might even expect that after 14 billion years of getting-into-order. Nature is not eternal; the sun will expand in about 2 billion years, and swallow Earth and all the other planets.
2. Sure, we can see how moral the beings in the Daesh, the Al Qaeda, the Taliban , the Inquisitions, the Crusades, the WBC, the KKK, the Lord's Resistance Army, etc, are.
3. Ask the Daesh if their conscience tells them that they have violated the Ten Commandments. Prepare to duck and run
4. In a moment of time, any "religionist" can come to know the reality, by observing it. But they refuse to because they love their comfy fairy-tales.

So, when are you going to present that undeniable evidence? It clearly can't be those four points, as each and every one has been refuted many, many times.

old comment by creativerealms

I accept creation Ray. However I believe it's the result of the Programer of the Infinite or what ever a Deist wants to call the Creator. I doubt the bible or any man made book could be divinely inspired and not that we are creations.

Same with a Conscience, it's a program by the creator.

Now as for the commandments, thing is they are unneeded if we are given a programed conscience. If we already know what is right and wrong already know in out heart and souls when something is harmful then we don't need those things pointed out to us.

Conversion, now Ray I believe that faith only salvation is used by people so they can sin all they want with out fear of consequences. After all if they are already saved, changed by the holy spirit and all their past and future sins are already forgiven then they have in their mind's a git out of hell free card and can sin with out consequence.

These four things do not prove that the Bible is anything more then a collection of stories created two thousand years ago for the purpose of controlling others. Just because it claims to be divine and makes vague predictions that are near impossible to be wrong does not mean it truly is divinely inspired.

old comment by Kadorhal

"They have undeniable evidence"

Did you miss the part where the guy said "IF I had undeniable evidence"? Don't be like that one other motherfucker who thinks the sentence starts halfway through and ends after three words.

"But they refuse to because they love their sin."

Being an atheist does not mean someone is looking for any and every excuse to be as immoral as possible, it simply means they do not believe in God. People can have decent morals without believing in a higher power, just the same as people can believe in a higher power and be just as horrible a person as your average strawman atheist. Accept it, get over it, have a banana and find something else to do with your life.

old comment by Canadiest

1) Just no. A completely unsubstantiated claim. A regular assertion of creationists which demands that one thing, their God, can violate the first cause argument they claim is a given.

2)and 3) Conscience is a product of the social animal, not just humans even, and it DOES NOT contain an inherent knowledge of God or Scripture. There's a reason you have churchs Ray and it's to spread and reinforce these beliefs usually forced upon you in youth, without them the myth would have faded or at least be recognized as myth.

4) Non-belief in your myth is not an automatic marker of poor morals even though you love to push the lie. Ray, when confronted, has admitted Atheists can be of high moral standards only to fall back to the assertion we're not as soon as he's out of earshot.