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[about a 9 year old rape victim that was excommunicated by the catholic church for having an abortion]
[[They might see abortion as murder, but it's the murder of two fetuses who can't feel anything, nor do they even know they are supposedly alive, against the brutal passive killing of the 9 year old girl who has to die a slow and painful death. Even if you consider abortion murder, what about the death sentence gladly put on the girl? Is that not murder as well?]]
Haha! You're pretty prejudiced if you imagine this Archbishop "gladly" condemning a girl to death. I mean, he's opinionated, but he's not a freakin' sociopath.
And to answer the other claims, keep in mind that a health risk is different than a death sentence. And if it's twins, and we wanna be utilitarian about it..Two lives vs. one? I mean, it's obviously a horrible situation no matter which way you slice it, but I can't condemn the guy for trying to take a stand...
[[What I meant was that even if individual people hold these opinions, they always have something higher to lean on. The evil I speak of is the evil of individuals being condoned or even promoted from higher up. If the Vatican would excuse this girl, admitting the fact that the abortion saved her life, I'd be fine in hating only the local Brazilian nutjobs. But it's things like this that makes me hate the entire church, and not just the morons that run it.
If people want to be religious and good people at the same time, they should start new churches with good people to lead them. Don't stand idly by and ignore the evil coming from the mouths of these people.]]
Yeah. I would understand the headline that the OP made with the article you linked to. But, that is not the article he linked to.
Also, I don't quite understand your position of "evil like this" comes from a "central source." Man, I grew up Catholic, and that is one of the most decentralized systems I've ever been in. I've had a priest tell me he doesn't believe in God (which still throws me a loop.) Sure, they're a stickler about a few issues, like sexuality, but I don't think their position is wholly unfair.
I agree that they should be a lot more sensitive to the issue (if nothing else, for their own sake), but I'm not entirely convinced that they're wrong in their idea that all human life is equally valuable.
I think you're a little too strongly solidified in your opinions about abortion. Consider that the article never said the abortion saved her life, but merely that her pregnancy posed a threat to her life (which, to be fair, a lot of pregnancies do. They can go wrong awfully frequently.)
I encourage you to try and understand it through the lens of how a pro-life individual would. If all human life is equally valuable, and the woman has twin fetuses inside her, shouldn't everything be done to try and bring those two lives to term? I think the issue is horrible no matter how you slice it, but I can see the underlying rationale behind the Church's stance.
Like, I said. The rape issue factors into it, as I can only guess at the horrible mental duress a potential mother would have in bearing the child of a rape.
On the other hand, if it were a nineteen year old who had casual, unprotected sex and got knocked up and then decided to nip it in the bud (not that I'm saying that that's the majority of abortion instances, but a hypothetical situation), then I would say that yes, she extinguished an innocent human life (i.e. murder).