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Charles Rotter #conspiracy #dunning-kruger wattsupwiththat.com

[This is a reaction to a Nature article where the author twists the quotes to fit his worldview. I have removed said quotes.]

1. The Carbon Budget Is a Fantasy

The entire idea of a “carbon budget” depends on the assumption that we can accurately track all natural and anthropogenic carbon sources and sinks.

[…]

We were missing a carbon leak as big as the net carbon uptake of all land-based ecosystems. That’s like losing a financial ledger entry equivalent to your annual revenue and still claiming your books balance.

2. Climate Models Can’t Model What They Didn’t Know Existed

This isn’t a rounding error. This is a previously invisible carbon flux at a planetary scale—entirely omitted from mainstream Earth system models. […]

For those of us who have long argued that climate models are glorified curve-fitting exercises based on selectively tuned assumptions, this study is pure vindication. It’s an outright admission that the models are not merely imperfect—they’re structurally blind to major natural processes.

3. Climate Science Is Still in Diapers

If 59% of riverine CO2 emissions come from millennial or older carbon pools, then just how settled can the science be? […]

Imagine building a trillion-dollar global policy framework on a dataset that left out half the equation. It would be funny if it weren’t tragic.

4. Anthropogenic Carbon Attribution Is Now a Shell Game

One of the central talking points of climate activists is that CO2 in the atmosphere is traceable and largely caused by human emissions. This study kicks that stool out from under them. […]

That means nearly 60% of river-based CO2 emissions are from carbon predating modern industrial activity. This calls into question the accuracy of anthropogenic attribution models—models which governments use to justify taxes, regulations, and top-down restructurings of energy and agriculture.

Danley Wolfe #wingnut wattsupwiththat.com

Climate propaganda has reached stages far beyond the well known propaganda of Nazi Germany, trying to censure and destroy people’s lives and careers, is something Herr Doctor Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, would greatly envy and value highly.

Gary Pearse #wingnut wattsupwiththat.com

What the new left wants is destruction of family, religion, freedom, and economic wellbeing to create the new world order. The main project is bringing down the USA because it is the world’s economic engine, and the bedrock of freedom. Corruption of the education system and institutional frameworks have been under siege for two or three generations. Climateering, knocking down borders, weaponizing immigration, creating new genders etc. are all part of the putsch.

Socialists have tried to appear a more attractive and caring alternative to free enterprise but their real life experiments in governance were a murderous disaster. Now the gloves are off and they arent afraid to show their fangs. They can’t compete but blowing up the foundation seems promising to them.

Notanist #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

I hope someone is keeping screen shots of some of the “better” (more egregious) global warming entries. Our descendants will scarcely believe that the same generation that rapidly advanced in so many areas of science went all delusional doomsday cult over CO2. History is so going to mock this nonsense, it could fill a museum.

Gbees #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Fraud: A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. The climate change dogma is defrauding taxpayers around the World of $trillions. Anyone who propagates human induced climate change con/scam, supports it or campaigns to bring it about should be arrested and charged with fraud.

Gary Ashe #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

The BBC is a hive of cultural Marxism. I cannot use the words i use in private to describe them here, they control Journalistic traing and their Union, they infect everything they touch with progressive falseness, a truly vile worthless organisation to all but momentum and Common Purpose graduates,——.. a national broadcaster that despises the ”british” in its title and 80% of the population that do not identify as ”progressive”,——Having 8 billion £ of your 12 billion £ pension fund tied up in the green bank is a big factor in their propaganda.

Pop Piasa #wingnut wattsupwiththat.com

To be a climate change skeptic has labeled us as ultra-conservative even if you are like myself, usually straddling the fence. I put that into a song back when Obummer was still king.

Science, Politics and Fear

Our President (Obama) just called me a denier,
He told his followers to put my “feet to the fire”!
Engaging in ridicule, spin and vicious mirth,
Proposing that “doubters live on a flat earth”.
Claiming that “To wind and solar power we must turn”-
Preaching that we’re doomed by all the fossil fuel we burn.

Refrain:
Science, politics and fear
They tell us “hell on earth” will soon be here
So get out your ‘Humboldt County grown’ and I’ll go get some beer;
Here comes science, politics and fear.

While telling this, I wonder just how long it might be,
Before those “men in black” come sneaking ‘round to visit me.
While I accept the theory of that “greenhouse effect”,
The common sense my daddy taught me’s making me suspect
There’s much more to climate change than carbon trapping infrared
And the people have by “new progressive science” been misled.

Refrain:
Science, politics and fear
The end of all free nations could be near.
So, let’s protect the sovereignties we all hold dear
From science, politics and fear.

Instrumental verse & refrain

The panicked fight on climate is a challenge to surmise,
After decades now with just El Nino temperature rise.
Those models, they get further from reality each year
Yet, consensus of opinion of the future mongers fear!
But, I fear global governmental centralization:
U.N. bureaucrat controllers of a world enslaving nation.

Refrain:
Science, politics and fear
Hey, ‘1984’ is almost here!
An unholy trinity’s replaced the Holy one, its clear-
Science, politics and fear!

Bruce Cobb #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

No matter how they got there, the bottom line is that the CAGW warmunist ideology is dying. It may take a while to root out of governments, government-funded organizations, schools, and the MSM, since they have gone all-in and have vested interests in it, but it will happen, slowly but surely.

graphicconception #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

The main point is not about benefiting Russia. It is more that Russia needs to be perceived as an enemy.

Russia is one of the few powerful countries that has not fully signed up to the “New World Order” (NWO) scenario which is the path the US has been following since the time when Prescott Bush (GHW’s father) financed both sides in WW2 and made the Bush’s fortune.

The NWO team are playing a long game. The UN is part of the plan but it needs a constant supply of money that cannot easily be taken away from it. That is where the climate scam comes in. What better than to tax the whole world on the pretext of “saving the planet” and then funneling the proceeds through the UN. They would then be a self-sustaining entity that would not care what Nick Haley said to them.

Andy Pattullo #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

A nation’s military are there to safeguard the nation’s people and their constitutional rights. Apparently environmentalists see things differently. They would cancel democracy, free speech, economic growth, and almost any other personal freedom, while invoking marshal law to support their pet fantasy of preventing human caused global warming even in the absence of any conclusive proof it is a threat.

It is important for voters to understand this mind set and ensure it does not gain traction. People should read or re-read 1984 by George Orwell if they want to understand the risks of letting this type of thinking turn into policy. Similarly a read of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged which outlines her view of the erosive impact of this type of thinking that she saw first hand during the Soviet years might be educational.

Warren Blair #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

Eric is an elite white-collar criminal transnational tax avoider.

But to his current motivations:

1. Destroy Assange . . . yes Eric Schmidt went to meet Julian to enlist Julian to work ‘beside’ him at Google, but he failed. Julian does not care for money and power— he cares about sovereignty and truth. Eric views these beliefs as unforgivable sins. There’s a book if you look.

2. Hillary . . . Eric still can’t believe he failed to get Hillary into the White House (after his success with Obama). Now he’s going to make everyone pay.

3. Green cartel . . . Eric is the new director of kill-a-sceptic.

Eric Schmidt is a very dangerous man and he’ll do some damage to the USA in particular in his new role.

TA #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

From the article: “I think I’m on pretty firm ground when I suggest Eric Schmidt is likely to devote a lot of time and money in the future to attacking climate skeptics.”

Well, here’s a guaranteed way to attack skeptics, Mr. Schmidt: Provide proof that humans are causing the climate to change. As soon as you provide proof, skeptics will change their minds and see it your way.

That shouldn’t be too hard to do considering all the claims that have been made about CAGW. It shouldn’t take more than a few weeks to assemble an unassailable proof that connects human-caused CO2 to changes in the Earth’s climate. Just Google it.

Hugs #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Yes, I oppose climate change. I’m sure I’m now hurting his children, are I not?

Schmidt is a bimbo who can’t see the difference between opposing climate change and expecting serious GHG mediated AGW to happen, let alone expecting something to happen and being capable of doing something significant to it.

Schmidt has, by far, a much much bigger personal CO2 footprint than me. IMO he may preach as much as he wants, and I laugh at his double standard communist face. He’s one of those brats that can’t just see how totally Obama lost his climate agenda.

ntesdorf #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

The recent developments in Climate Science and the rise of cultural Marxism shows that there could be some truth in the theory that the human race has peaked, but it has not been caused by Climate Change but by the rise of Left socialism.

schitzree #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

I’d be pretty upset too, if I just found out the tens of thousands of dollars I’d spent on college, not to mention the years of study, was wasted.

Dr. Myhre appears to have majored in ‘Climate Communication’ with a minor in ‘Being Triggered’. I’m sure her professors all assured her that there would be many great career opportunities for her upon graduation, but WHOOPS, Trump got elected, and suddenly it’s no longer the end of a career to admit in public that you have some doubts about the whole Climate Crisis.

We are looking at the end game for the Climate Alarm, and we will see many more such melt downs as more of the Faithful come to face the fact that the population regard their religion as a scam. Or worse, a joke.

davezawadi #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

I think you have just seen the proof that the whole AGW nonsense is entirely false. The proponents have nothing at all, no evidence save imaginary computer models they have concocted.

They have been asked for evidence so many times, and failed to provide any at all, and refused to acknowledge the experiments of others which provide evidence that their claims are false.

They have shut down any other publication by means of the bogus peer review process, whilst reviewing one another’s work as satisfactory!

It is time for all this to end, and perhaps Trump is doing that ending.

Dodgy Geezer #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

Once warming had become a discussion issue, all sorts of people jumped on the bandwagon. Lots of activists saw this as their chance for world organisation along their favoured lines. One name not mentioned above is Margaret Thatcher, the PM of the UK, who was in a major battle with the UK coal miners at the time.

Since the UK was dependent on coal for electrical energy, the miners could, and did, hold the country to ransom whenever they wanted more pay. Thatcher used the beginning of the ‘CO2 scare’ to argue for increased use of nuclear power – a policy which would break the coal mining monopoly on power generation. This was politically very influential in Europe at the time—

LdB #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

They still don’t get the problem do they, that the trust is gone because they mix politics with science. Climate Science and it’s “leading” scientists aren’t just reporting facts and data they are trying to dictate actions and the bring in other factors like world social justice, renewable energy and green agendas.

The big standout is world social justice and how and why that ever got involved. For most areas of science the process of how that gets translated into the wider world is up to individual governments, economics and companies and entrepreneurs. Our entire human history is built on inequality and the inclusion of that into a science field created a situation the field is doomed to fail until it is reformed. We have seen religious groups trying to put themselves at the centre of science and they fail for the same reason.

The fact they don’t understand why they are failing is actually very funny and I think sums up those in the activist group.

Bruce Cobb #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

The Climateers go back and forth on whether it is better to frighten people, or to give them hope that changing that lightbulb and recycling that plastic bottle will help “save the planet”. Good propaganda does both which is what they’ve been doing, but lying to people eventually fails, and that is what’s happening now. It is hilarious to watch them agonize over which is better, and moaning and groaning about why “the message” still isn’t getting through.

climanrecon #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

I visit so-called “denier” blogs because they bring to light the “unhelpful” facts that somehow fail to get a mention in climate science press releases and friendly media interviews and comment pieces.

The authors of “denier” blog posts don’t need any scientific qualifications, so this just looks like a priesthood getting its robes into a twist because the game is over for them, the inevitable fate of all priesthoods.

jc #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

Something to bear in mind is that “climate science” is just a niche interest area “science” based on fake data and failed predictions mainly attracting those interested in unethical practices.

The “Algorians” desperately need to spread the word about there being a “consensus” amongst scientists. There is no scientific consensus, at least none that anyone pushing the AGW agenda can furnish anyone with.

It’s all part of the scam. The next time anyone mentions the “consensus” ask them to provide evidence of it. They won’t be able to.

NME666 #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Bill, there are several aspects to the goreBULLwarming nonsense. One is the so called science, and then there is the so called science reporters, but one of the biggest problems are the “believers”, and they tend to elect incompetents like Obama into office. Means test for voter and a scaled vote is the best solution to this problem:-))

cephus0 #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

I guess you all know that the only remaining hope of ever breaking the cycle of ignorance, witch doctor level voodoo pseudoscience and despair lies with God Emperor Trump and his America don’t you? No politician, institution or journal in Europe, Australasia or Canada is ever going to break ranks on this. I cannot see any possibility of a non-career political maverick like Trump gaining power anywhere else. Even if a right wing party get voted in somewhere – like Austria for example – they will just keep quiet on this issue so their detractors cannot use the hysterical and risible yet universally accepted “science denier” slur.

Even now with all the evidence piling up on the side of the sceptics and not a whiff of significant warming happening or accelerating sea level rise or more extreme weather or ocean pH and on and on and the models completely discredited the UK government has placed a windmill-loving, true-believing eco-loon in the position of Environment Minister. Right at the time we need to be accelerating away from the doomed EU and going full-on fracking and nuclear the ‘government’ appoints a moonbat to cover all the lands in useless windmills and solar panels to drive up electricity prices and drive industry away.

Go Trump!

schitzree #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

My Climate Skepticism WAS formed by what I was taught by my ‘Elites’. Specifically what I was taught by my Leftist teachers in school, what I learned from reading Popular Science, and what I saw in my games and entertainment. All through the 70’s and 80’s as I was growing up, I was bombarded by the twin scares of Overpopulation and the coming End of Oil. The predictions were based on clear scientific principles and statistics, and were undeniable. The solutions were equally clear, and presented as the coming waves of Clean Energy and UN/Socialist control of society. I spent hundreds of hours reading about Wind and Solar Power, the Hydrogen economy, and how the UN would soon lead us into a United Federation of Planets style of utopia.

But something odd happened as the 80’s gave way to the 90’s. Or several things, to be honest. None of the prediction of collapse or shortage came to pass. And the clean energy revolution that was just around, well, STAYED just around the corner. Then one by one the Communist ‘Command’ economies that we were supposed to start emulating for their ‘efficiency’ started collapsing. And the strangest thing of all? Despite all the failures of the predictions and solutions and GOVERNMENTS, the Left kept right on saying the same things. In fact, they just doubled down.

By the time Global Warming (aka Climate Change, Climate Disruption, Global Weirding, Climate Crisis, Extreme Weather, etc) became a major component of the Eternal Scare, I had stopped believing anything they said. The fact that 2 decades of further failure still hasn’t caused them to reevaluate their beliefs isn’t exactly likely to change my mind on that, and seeing just how dishonest many of them are willing to be (Climategate, Mann, Gleick, Lew, etc, etc) has left me highly unlikely to change my mind. At this point, NOTHING they might find of discover would, because I would just assume it was wrong— or FAKE.

RAH #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Another article showing that the real concern of the progressives is not the science but how to persuade people. And that’s the problem that they don’t understand.

They are far more worried about politics than data and good science because “Climate change” Is THE political issue that offers a path to the kind of overriding government control of all aspects of the lives of the citizens they believe it should have.

The government controlling everything from energy, to transportation, to land use and ownership, etc can be justified using environmental/climate change arguments. Conservatives intuitively understand this, and thus will resist.

Goldrider #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

The left’s meltdown began with the 2016 election, but the unhinged behavior has escalated over the past year to the point where for anyone outside their indoctrinated bubble (read, anyone who can think for themselves) these people now have ZERO moral or intellectual authority.

H. Clinton’s lies and extreme grifting are now in daylight, her Hollywood flying monkeys have been exposed (literally!) for the amoral and hypocritical nuts they are, and the Democrat party has no message beyond doubling down on their failed and divisive identity politics.

Meanwhile, the economy is roaring, the President is enjoying far more prestige and respect overseas than his predecessor ever received, and I guarantee you that people making money have NO COMPLAINTS.

If you took away the MSM’s bias toward the perspectives of statistically small groups of perennial malcontents and attention-seekers, what would the “problem” be really?

Lark #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

CAGW gives its devotees a reason to have Power (control over others’ lives), Pelf (other peoples’ money) and Position (reason to consider themselves better than others). PPP is the holy trinity of the parasite class; CAGW can’t possibly be a lie.

But a parasite is never satisfied; taking stuff from the people who make stuff is their job and their joy; they will do it ’til the end of the world and never have enough.

Leo Smith #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

There is one huge organization that benefits hugely from climate change policies.

Gazprom.

There is one country that owns Gazprom, or used to, that financed and supported anti-nuclear and green movements

Russia.

There is one organisation closely tied to the above that is the world expert on controlled disinformation and propaganda.

FSB – the former KGB.

I would assume that someone has discovered this, connected the dots and what is reported above is a pre-emptive strike

graphicconception #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) is not making enough money. The $250 million per day fighting terrorism is not enough to pay the bills. What they need is a big war somewhere. Russia would be ideal. So they have put the word out to their minions (e.g. Soros et al) and they have forwarded the message to the useful idiots in Congress etc.

The current tactic is to make Americans, and others, hate the Russians so much that some kind of (expensive) military intervention is required. Then the MIC can sit back and reap the benefit.

james whelan #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

Collapse of judeo-christianity ,the end of the ‘cold war’, the rise of the ‘greens’ particularly in Germany has led to a psuedo-religious, Gaia-worshiping uprising in the West. CAGW fills a void, and is being manipulated to make the global elite richer by employing a public debt/private profit vehicle for absorbing the fiat created by the central banks.

Rationally , as the extreme forecasts are debunked, you would expect this to die. However humans are very rarely ‘rational’. And as the very essence of human rationality, science, is deeply contaminated , this religion will endure far longer than we imagine is likely.

higley7 #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

Actually most of the Muslim immigration has been part of a plan to invade Europe, the Kalergi Plan. The dominantly young men invading Europe were directed by their Imams to go and rape Europe, impregnate the women, and take over Europe. Climate has nothing to do with this plan and never will.

dahun #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

It is impossible to believe those that claim the Earth is in mortal danger from carbon dioxide when they reject nuclear which produces zero CO2, hydroelectric projects again with zero CO2 production and natural gas which has cut CO2 production by 10% in less than 10 years.

When only the highest cost least efficient power generation is insisted upon it can only be because a solution to the problem put forward is not wanted. Protection and propagation of the problem is the goal, solving it eliminates the ‘problem’ and political army that rely on it for their very existence.

KO #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Indeed. This is so reminiscent of the early 1980s and the run-off of the “Ozone Hole” WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE crisis.

Recall then that after years of nonsense hyperbole about manmade CFCs causing the “Ozone Hole” (a cyclical phenomenon, as suggested by anecdotal evidence going back to 16th and 17th Century Spanish colonial accounts of unexplained blindness occurring in Chilean sheep flocks), the purveyors of the meme started to declare victory. They did so, because (what do you know) the Ozone Hole started miraculously to close!! All because CFCs were removed from circulation—.riiight.

Gradually more and more nonsense statistics and flashy graphics were circulated through the Media, and more and more preening of various academics (who had made entire careers out of the utter BS of the “Ozone Scare”) started to occur. Then, after a few years and entirely without fanfare, the meme was dropped.

The same thing is starting now in CAGW. The cyclical top has arrived and probably passed. There is nothing any “climate scientist” can do to perpetuate the gravy train of WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE so ably publicized by Gore. The global climate will cool, perfectly naturally, for the foreseeable future – so the CAGW Brigade has decided it is going to declare victory while it can—See, we cut CO2 and voila. Success—.!!

This way at least when (or if) societies in the Europe and North America in particular wake up to the fact they are vastly under-prepared for a cooler climate phase (not least because of the damage done by anti-CO2 emission policies to power generation capacity for national grids), the CAGW Brigade will be long gone from public memory; and will in any event be able to say it’s not their fault, victory was declared years ago and we cannot be blamed if governments didn’t prepare for the cold since then—.

Watch. Just watch.

Enkl #fundie wattsupwiththat.com

Now for Australia. Here’s a copy of my email of this afternoon to the Prime Minister.

Dear Sir,

1. Most of the warming of the global climate over the last 100 years is an artifact of the retrospective adjustment of historical measurements. The adjustments have not been subject to peer review. Their scale has always been arbitrary, and their putative rationale has often been dubious.
2. ENSO fluctuations and other natural phenomena give a complete account of all climate variations during this period.
3. The sensitivity to carbon dioxide of the climate system is essentially nil. There has been no statistically significant warming for 20 years, despite the continued rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide. (While there is a small measured enhanced greenhouse effect, it is entirely offset by negative water vapour feedbacks.)
4. While the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide has no net impact on global temperatures, it has a substantial beneficial impact on agricultural yields.
5. ANY informed and scientifically literate person who gainsays the above points is acting dishonestly.
6. Attempts to limit the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide are futile (for scientific, technical and geopolitical reasons).
7. Attempts to limit the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide are exacerbating global energy poverty, which is causing tens of thousands of excess winter deaths each year (many in Europe), and reducing the life expectancy of many poor people. Doing so intentionally is unconscionable.

It appears that you continue to believe that it is imperative to reduce Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions. It is not. You are intelligent enough to assess the scientific claims of both sides of the debate and and astute enough to assess the integrity of their actions. Please do so.

Please be a real leader, not a follower. Please stop the campaign against carbon dioxide – for Australia, for the world, and for your own political future.

Claude Harvey #conspiracy wattsupwiththat.com

The progressive political goal has never really been “stopping climate change”. The goal has been to use climate change as a tool to implement policies that further the interests of “borderless, centrally controlled, one-world-socialism”. Pielke Jr. was attacked, not for denying the tool, but for dulling its cutting edge.