Shouldn’t an employer have the right to uphold high moral standards in his or her company? Or shouldn’t schools have the right to not have open homosexuals or cross-dresses modeling that lifestyle to kids? This does not deprive anyone of a job by the way, except those who insist on displaying these lifestyles to everyone and forcing their acceptance. Such behavior shows a disrespect for two things: everyone else around them and for hardcore facts. The fact is that no one needs to be involved in homosexuality and all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a homosexual lifestyle. Now the activists won’t like this and I may get another slew of hateful emails and such from the tolerance crowd but really where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?
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"Shouldn’t an employer have the right to uphold high moral standards in his or her company? "
- The private lives of employees is no business of an employer, so long as the employee gives a good day's work for a good day's pay.
"Or shouldn’t schools have the right to not have open homosexuals or cross-dresses..."
- Schools where I lived and previously lived tend to have dress-codes, so your comment is without foundation as far as I am concerned.
"The fact is that no one needs to be involved in homosexuality and all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a homosexual lifestyle."
- anymmore than Heterosexuality, Homosexuality is NOT (for the umpteenth time) a lifestyle that one gets involved in. The proof that it is genetic has been established. Do your research.
"Now the activists won’t like this and I may get another slew of hateful emails and such from the tolerance crowd but really where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?"
- You show intolerance and still have the temerity to suggest that others are intolerant? Hypocrisy much? Or can you be so stupid as not to realise that you are spewing hate already?
where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?
It's right there. It's just that when you say "concern for my beliefs" you actually mean "suck my dick", so you feel insulted every time you don't get oral. You don't get that people will humor all your beliefs which don't meddle in their affairs.
Of course, if I publicly refused to employ Christians Linda here would be all over me (metaphorically) for being an intolerant bigot.
(Actually I wouldn't employ anyone likely to preach to the rest of the staff all the time. Stuff gets disruptive. Nobody ever has, not even the JW who worked for us for some years, but somebody starts preaching at the interview, that interview is over. By the same token, I wouldn't tolerate any sexual harrassment either, whether gay or straight).
Phillip-George(c)2013:
Screech and point Pod People.
You mean the way you, Linda Harvey and every other christofascist lunatic points and screeches every time a step is made forward in the fight for equality?
Pot, meet kettle.
The loudest, most screechy voices in this issue are the ones that hold up the crosses and *supposedly* mimic Jesus' example of meekness.
The fact is that no one needs to be involved in homosexuality
Except that's not a fact, that's a lie.
My alma mater (junior college?) banned cross-dressing (myself and a number of students were disciplined for that on the last night of orientation but I find little wrong with it beyond social stigmas) as well as extreme ideologies when not taken in a non-educational sense (read: language classes were the only place where extreme ideologies can be invoked, but not in any imposing manner). Tolerance extends in any case to the rights and beliefs of others.
As for homosexuality, a few of my schoolmates have come out on confessions pages but rarely in real life, so there still unfortunately seems to be a significant stigma.
To continue on: sexuality and competence are two different things, sexuality and stigma are still too tied together. Schools are moral institutions and they are somewhat entitled to impose moral standards. Employers have every right to uphold moral standards, but not to suppress lifestyle choices. To possess a lifestyle is definitely not to impose it (Heaven forbid).
Your employer doesn't have the right to establish moral standards for his/her employees' personal lives. S/he can require you to wear clothes at work, but not at home. S/he can require you to take your medications out of sight of customers and other employees, but s/he can't determine what medications you can have. You know, just as they can't tell you what church to go to. And s/he can't tell you who to love nor how to love them.
Let's change a few key words and see how it works.
Shouldn’t an employer have the right to uphold high moral standards in his or her company? Or shouldn’t schools have the right to not have open Christians or Religious fundamentalists modeling that lifestyle to kids? This does not deprive anyone of a job by the way, except those who insist on displaying these lifestyles to everyone and forcing their acceptance. Such behavior shows a disrespect for two things: everyone else around them and for hardcore facts. The fact is that no one needs to be involved in Christianity and all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a Christian lifestyle. Now the activists won’t like this and I may get another slew of hateful emails and such from the Christian crowd but really where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?
Same sentiment, but with a few key word changes, it would bring on the hateful ire of a segment of the population that claims to love everyone.
If I were an employer, Linda, I'd start by firing liars . These people wouldn't recognize "high moral standards" if they were hit by them with a 25-ton truck.
those who insist on displaying these lifestyles to everyone and forcing their acceptance.
You mean like prayer in school?
No, I bet that's not what you mean. But it is anyway.
The actual concern for the rights of others is what makes us fight for the rights of homosexuals to not be discriminated against in the workplace. Belief of others is their concern, I respect their right to believe whatever silliness they want, but they don't have a right to push their belief onto others. Belief is something private, internal, personal.
An employer could uphold high moral standards if s/he wants. S/he could perhaps warn someone who is unfaithful to his/her spouse/partner, or who is abusive to said spouse/partner. Whatever sexual orientation a person has, has no impact on his or her morals though. An employer has every right to regulate the dress code in the work place. An employer can also stipulate that "conjugal visits" are not promoted and should be kept to a minimum, and no outward signs of affection is to be displayed. Whatever sexual orientation a person has, has again no impact on his or her behavior.
No-one needs to be involved in tallness either, legs can be amputated and prosthetic feet can be attached. Just look at the "blade runner".
all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a homosexual lifestyle
It doesn't require a heterosexual "lifestyle", either. So if it's irrelevant to the employee's job, then why add it as a criterion?
The fact is that no one needs to be involved in homosexuality
No one needs to be involved in heterosexuality, either. Maybe they should only hire monks and eunuchs.
"Shouldn’t an employer have the right to uphold high moral standards in his or her company?"
"Or shouldn’t schools have the right to not have open homosexuals or cross-dresses modeling that lifestyle to kids?"
"This does not deprive anyone of a job by the way, except those who insist on displaying these lifestyles to everyone and forcing their acceptance. [
] The fact is that no one needs to be involved in homosexuality and all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a homosexual lifestyle."
"Now the activists won’t like this"
"where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?"
@P-G:
I have two children, ages 8 and 6. They attend our local public schools and are both doing pretty well in their respective classes. The most either of them knows about the personal lives of either of their teachers, is that my older one knows his teacher is a vegetarian.
And that's by and large how it should be.
I personally would have more problems with a teacher preaching hatred or distrust, than one who is gay.
This is, sadly, a case of the priviledged loosing. She's asking for concern for the rights and beliefs of others . . . to fire their fellow citizens. She's now asking for the very tolerance she literally was against sentences ago.
How would it go over with people if it said this:
Shouldn’t an employer have the right to uphold high moral standards in his or her company? Or shouldn’t schools have the right to not have open asexuals or abstinence pledgers modeling that lifestyle to kids? This does not deprive anyone of a job by the way, except those who insist on displaying these lifestyles to everyone and forcing their acceptance. Such behavior shows a disrespect for two things: everyone else around them and for hardcore facts. The fact is that no one needs to be involved in asexuality and all of the good qualities a person may have that might make that person otherwise an excellent employee don’t require a sex avoidance lifestyle. Now the activists won’t like this and I may get another slew of hateful emails and such from the tolerance crowd but really where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?
In short, you want schools and businesses to be able to have absolute control over anyone who enters under their jurisdiction.
And you probably want "smaller government", too...
"where is the actual concern for the rights and beliefs of others?"
Well they clearly aren't with you, are they?
"The Borg can use you. They don't discriminate about whom they assimilate."
I love how the raving conservative who wants no change is trying to accuse everybody else of being conformist.
An employer can hold high moral standards. Indeed I hope they would. Treat their workers with respect, and dignity. Oh you meant prying into their personal life? That's not moral. That's actually very imposing and disrespectful. Hell you'd bitch about an employer doing it to Christians wouldn't you (and in that case you'd be right.) so let's face it. It is wrong to impose will on the workers.
Concern for your rights take a backseat to the rights of everyone. Gays have the same rights you have not be discriminated against for their sexual orientation. As for your beliefs, those are yours and don't matter worth a shit in a court of law unless someone is actively trying to suppress your expression of hatred. Not seeing it so far.
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