Ray Comfort #fundie

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“Ray, I have an honest question and I'm curious to hear your response. Is there any evidence that can be presented to you that would make you change your mind and say that God, as you understand Him, does not exist?” Ed Gloss

You ask the question as though I have some sort of blind faith that God exists. I don’t. My faith in God doesn’t rest on His existence. It rests on His integrity to keep His promises.

When I look at a high-rise building, I don’t have faith that there as a builder. Rather, I KNOW there was one, because buildings don’t build themselves. That’s just common sense. I also KNOW that a painter exists because I see the painting. Again, paintings don’t paint themselves.

And so the simple logic carries over to creation/nature being empirical evidence of the Creator. It is scientifically impossible for nature to have made itself. It’s also impossible for it to be eternal (because of entropy).

I knew that God existed before I came to know Him (in April of 1972).

So your question is, if atheists could provide me with evidence of the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything, would I say that there is no God?

Only if I was a fool.

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old comment by Kadorhal

"When I look at a high-rise building, I don’t have faith that there as a builder. Rather, I KNOW there was one, because buildings don’t build themselves."

No one else thinks everything in the world created itself, you jackass! Stop arguing as though they do!

"So your question is, if atheists could provide me with evidence of the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything, would I say that there is no God?

Only if I was a fool."

Sorry, Ray, but the results are in: you are a fool. If you weren't you would realize the dual facts that A) no theory on the beginning of the universe says "nothing created everything", and B) there is already a fucking ton of evidence for it, that you are simply pretending does not exist.

old comment by John

So your entire belief that the God of Abraham exists and sent His only son to be your personal savior is based on the fact that something did something supernatural 14 1/2 billion years ago? No one but naive amateurs use the old "design argument" as proof that God exists.

I KNOW there was one, because buildings don’t build themselves.

The analogy with buildings is nonsense - buildings don't build themselves out of a single brick, then spit out a brick to build another building. But humans build themselves out of another human's single cell. The process by which that cell becomes a trillion-cell human is pretty well understood and doesn't involve anything supernatural.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"You ask the question as though I have some sort of blind faith that God exists."

Ray, it's rumoured that in a film starring another Ray (Milland) "The Man With X-Ray Eyes", there was an alternate ending which ended up on the cutting-room floor, of the final scene at the Revivalist Meeting tent, where the fire & brimstone preacher exclaims 'If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out!', and Ray's character does just that: and the film ends at the freeze-frame of his empty sockets. He then screams 'I CAN STILL SEE!', as it's implied that the serum he'd created & used on himself had worked beyond his ocular organs & optic nerves, and had changed his brain completely: it's neural network had, perhaps, become an omni-sensor, and become so acute had this neuro-sensor array, that he could perceive not just the complete Electromagnetic Spectrum, but all dimensions at once: as in the multiverse, and perhaps beyond.

It's intimated that this rumoured scene was a reference to HP Lovecraft, and how things that should not be seen by mere humans could make them insane upon the mere glimpse of such. Milland's character had seen too much.

Stevie Wonder knows that it's insane to walk across a busy freeway.

Do you have 'Faith' enough to do so, wearing a blindfold, Banana Boy...?!

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"I KNOW there was one, because buildings don’t build themselves. Again, paintings don’t paint themselves."

OF COURSE we know there was a builder and a painter for those things. There were REAL PEOPLE that built the building, and painted the painting. We can even meet the builder and painter, shake their hand, and talk to them and ask them questions, thereby VERIFYING THAT THEY EXIST, AND ARE REAL.

Where do we go to meet god? Can we shake his hand? How do we VERIFY THAT GOD EXISTS? How do we VERIFY THAT GOD IS REAL?

Calling it "creation" implies that there is a creator. Instead, to avoid that implication, let's call it "nature". Nowhere have we ever seen any evidence that nature requires a creator.

old comment by smartz118

This guy has no idea how science works, does he. Atoms, under high enough stress and energy can combine to make new elements! *gasp* And given a long time with more energy, said elements can combine to make molecules! *double gasp!* And given even more time and energy, said molecules can eventually join together to become structures like cells! It is all done randomly and haphazardly, but eventually it happened and life came to be on Earth, which happened to be the perfect distance from the sun and have the right composition of elements to protect the life on Earth from harmful radiation from the sun. No one built it. It all fell into place.

Not that he would believe it, though...