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Glamortization of suicide in mainstream media

How did the U.S. judicial system go from prosecuting and imprisoning Dr. Kavorkian to legalizing premeditated suicide? Affordable Healthcare Act, that's how. Add another option to the list of how to decrease the world's population. Mainstream mass media is the bible in which a majority of modern society determines their morals, values, ethics, good, evil, free will thought and choices to determine the world's future. The media executives know the herds of western world blind sheep has been brainwashed long enough since WW1 to believe what the media pumps out. Affordable Health Care & a doctor they strong-armed, took the opportunity to hand a young woman a pill to kill herself with even though real life ending suffering had not begun to manifest. Brittany Maynard family was only portrayed by the top media outlets as surrounding her in loving support for her choice to die and on her highly publicized glorious vacational bucket list trips. One news report slipped and quoted the mother saying "if Brittany asked me to care for her by changing her diapers and feeding her until she died, I would". If it fact Brittany Maynard is a real right to die story, it is a setup for all of north American people to accept the standard of care AFA determines for a patient based on a physician's diagnosis whether or not the diagnosis is correct. Forget about God and His standards. Only man's standards count. I refuse to to offer compassion to Brittany Maynard or Robin Williams. There's no published proof of a fatal illness and if we demand, suddenly privacy laws will be thrown up.

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old comment by KittyKaboom

I refuse to to offer compassion to Brittany Maynard or Robin Williams. There's no published proof of a fatal illness and if we demand, suddenly privacy laws will be thrown up.

Then you are a monster. Brittany Maynard was in constant pain and had seizures that were followed by periods of even more intense pain and loss of memory. She barely recognized her family for awhile after the seizures ended. Robin Williams suffered for years with depression, and if you think there isn't pain associated with that, I'd personally like a word with you. The symptoms are physical as well as mental/emotional.

Both cases were well documented. The fact that you want to live in your little bubble of self delusion doesn't change that. What you should have said is, 'the evidence wasn't good enough, I am not convinced', which, while still idiotic, is at least a tad more honest.

old comment by Nicholas Krizov

"premeditated suicide"

All suicide is premeditated.

"Add another option to the list of how to decrease the world's population. Mainstream mass media is the bible in which a majority of modern society determines their morals, values, ethics, good, evil, free will thought and choices to determine the world's future. The media executives know the herds of western world blind sheep has been brainwashed long enough since WW1 to believe what the media pumps out."

Whoa! Nigga just went FULL retard! Never go full retard!

"Affordable Health Care & a doctor they strong-armed, took the opportunity to hand a young woman a pill to kill herself with even though real life ending suffering had not begun to manifest."

That was the point of her suicide. She didn't want to start wasting away - she wanted to die with some dignity, and not end up taking comatose cat naps in her own shit, with a thousand tubes and wires sticking into her as her hair falls out and her skin turns pale yellow.

More importantly, what the fuck is Brittany Maynard's case to you? Leave her and her family alone. They've already been through enough with Brittany's death and the media frenzy making a spectacle of it. Fuck off and die, you vulture (my apologies to vultures everywhere)

"I refuse to to [sic] offer compassion to Brittany Maynard or Robin Williams."

Alright. By the powers vested in me by the commonwealth of Virginia, I hereby revoke you your human card.

old comment by Sangfroid

Don't be a fool.

When I was growing up in the 50s and 60s, suicide was treated as an awful secret that had to be hidden at all costs. People died of "accidental overdoses", "gun accidents", "falls" or, if all else failed, "misadventure." Suicide was only mentioned if nothing else could be wedged into place.

Nowadays, suicide does not carry the same stigma as it used to, and reporters and Doctors don't feel the same need to hide it from the public.

As to Robin Williams, they have released the coroner's report (and none of us have the automatic right to know how another died) and there is more then enough evidence to support the notion he was suffering from major depressive disorder as well as the onset of dementia associated with Parkinson's. Would any of us just shrugged our shoulders and happily skipped on with life? That is one heavy burden.

And if a measure of our love for god is our willingness to suffer through agony, then he/she/it can kiss my ass.

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"How did the U.S. judicial system go from prosecuting and imprisoning Dr. Kavorkian to legalizing premeditated suicide? Affordable Healthcare Act, that's how."

The Oregon law existed for years before the ACA existed, and it was voted in by the will of the people, not the gubmint. In fact, Brittany could have gotten insurance through the ACA that would have covered palliative hospice care for as long as she lived (although the co-pays would probably still have nearly bankrupted her family because the ACA doesn't go far enough, but that's another argument).

"Affordable Health Care & a doctor they strong-armed"

How ignorant can you possibly be? There is no provision in the ACA for assisted suicide. The patient had to pick up and move out of state while sick with a fucking brain tumor in order to get the help she wanted.

"One news report slipped and quoted the mother saying "if Brittany asked me to care for her by changing her diapers and feeding her until she died, I would"."

They didn't "slip". It was the whole point of the story-- that Brittany had a support system in place that would have allowed her to die a lingering death of agony in seizures and pain that would not be relieved by medication if she wanted to, but she CHOSE otherwise. If anyone has been affected by media bias, it's you, for believing that death from cancer is the peaceful, pain-free thing you've seen on tv hospital dramas.

" I refuse to offer compassion to Brittany Maynard or Robin Williams. There's no published proof of a fatal illness"

I'm sure they'd be all broken up about it. Why should an illness have to be fatal for a patient to have the right to say they don't want to suffer with it anymore? We've just learned that Robin Williams was suffering paranoid delusions, hiding watches in his socks and giving them to his wife to hold for protection. Whether he wasn't in his right mind, or he was having enough clarity in that moment to decide he didn't want to live with a horrible, incurable disease, who are you to say he (or anyone) shouldn't have the right to end his own suffering, even if it was only a chronic condition?

old comment by OHP

++"How did the U.S. judicial system go from prosecuting and imprisoning Dr. Kavorkian to legalizing premeditated suicide?"

It's calling learning from your mistakes and growing as a civilization. I realize that this concept is foreign -- anathema, really -- to religitards, however, so I'll cut you some slack on that one.

++"Affordable Health Care & a doctor they strong-armed, took the opportunity to hand a young woman a pill to kill herself with even though real life ending suffering had not begun to manifest"

Yeah. That's kind of the point -- die before the excruciating, debilitating pain sets in.

++"Brittany Maynard family was only portrayed by the top media outlets as surrounding her in loving support for her choice to die and on her highly publicized glorious vacational bucket list trips."

What's wrong? Do you feel cheated? Wanted to see some nice agony shots, eh? Those late night "starving children" commercials not doing it for you anymore?

++"One news report slipped and quoted the mother saying "if Brittany asked me to care for her by changing her diapers and feeding her until she died, I would". "

How is that a slip? Just because she doesn't want her daughter to die doesn't mean that she's secretly fighting to force her to live though the agonizing final days of her illness.

++"Forget about God and His standards. Only man's standards count. "

Agreed.

++"I refuse to offer compassion to Brittany Maynard or Robin Williams."

That's fine. You cannot give what you do not possess. Frankly I doubt they or anyone else would want it anyway; nobody really wants a monster's sympathy.

++"There's no published proof of a fatal illness"

There's no published proof of your god but you're still using his fairytale as a basis for your "argument".

++"and if we demand, suddenly privacy laws will be thrown up.

As they would if some dumb cunt like yourself came in, proclaimed herself the final authority on matters pertaining to your health and demanded to see your medical records.

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In conclusion: Kill yourself.

old comment by SpukiKitty

Ms. Maynard was pure awesomeness! She left this Earth on her own terms, not her INCURABLE TERMINAL CANCER! She went out in a great way....The "Bucket List" stuff & a nice peaceful passing via some meds.

Concerning Williams, he had a really epic case of depression, was having delusions & dementia. He had Parkinson's, which robbed him of the one thing that kept him happy & the depression at bay....his career.

A guy with severe depression with a bunch of degenerating, incurable conditions that robbed him of that one thing that kept him healthy & happy, who probably was in the midst of some sort of episode, offs himself. A lot grimmer than Brittany...but if it gave peace to Robin, who am I to argue?

As I see it, Brittany & Robin are alive and well in Paradise and you should be cheering their re-birth.

But NOOOOOOOOO....you're an evil Frummer Freak who worships a Demiurge who gets chubbers over human suffering, warfare, oppression & general mayhem.

Your Demiurge has no power over me, ya BEEYOTCH! My Devata can kick your Demiurgic Pseudo-Yahweh's can clear past the Lynx Supercluster!

old comment by Swede

You don't know ANYTHING about the ACA, do you? Only what your pastor and your religious right friends on Facebook say, right?
Without the ACA people ARE dying of easily treatable diseases in the US, because they can't afford the medical care. With the ACA, more people can get insured, and thus can afford more healthcare, so FEWER people will be dying.

I bet you determine your morals, values, ethics, good, evil, free will based on what televangelists are shouting about, in that mainstream mass media you despise so much. Oh, but it's OK when you do it, right? Besides, mass media was hardly even born when WWI ended, dearie.

Brittany decided for herself to die before she became a vegetable, from what I've read, nobody "determined" it for her. Why would they publish her medical records? They are, as you say, private. And, how was that a slip-up of her mother? She was just saying that she'd respect her daughters wishes, whichever they were.