Strongblack #racist

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Simply put: people of European descent, especially those with formal education, are aware of their genetic inferiority, and have to resort to extreme measures to assert their dominance over people of color. Many act this out on a subconscious level and are, many times, unaware of this defect in their thinking.

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old comment by J. James

Anon, that isn't actually how it works. Genetic inferiority has to do with, you know, genetics rather than what culture invented what. And genetically speaking, white people and black people are pretty much the same, except for a few minor differences in the skintone and hair phenotypes obviously and rates of certain genetic disorders like cystic fibrosis and sickle cell anemia. That's why anthropologists typically escew the concept of "race", on the inside we're basically identical.

There's also the fact that "genetic inferiority" is completely situational. At the equator, black skin is a boon. At northern and southern latitudes, white skin absorbs vitamin D better. Seeing as skin color is literally the only meaningful difference between the races, that's really the only situation where it applies.

Now, CULTURAL superiority is another matter entirely. It's also completely subjective, so it's just a dead end.

old comment by Vox

Lol Refreshing to see some nonwhite racism once in a while. Ever notice that black supremacists just sound like an inverted white supremacist or a white supremacist who replaces the word "white" with "black"?

In a weird way though he's correct about white supremacists. White supremacists are always going on about how allowing nonwhite people to live or reproduce in Europe is "genocide"....by white supremacists beliefs about white people they must view "whiteness" as something very genetically weak since apparently breeding with a nonwhite person cancels it out entirely. I don't know if they realize it but they're implicitly saying that "nonwhiteness" is genetically stronger/hardier than "whiteness".

Their "keep nonwhites out of Europe" just verifies that further since they believe white people are SOOOOOO weak that they can't survive unless they're kept in isolation like a Bubble Boy or something. They implicitly agree with that notion when they compare white people to an endangered species (like the "anti-racist is anti-white" crowd often does).

old comment by Vox

@Anon - Also, that's a pretty false statement to claim that "almost every single useful item" in the US was invented by a white person. There have always been nonwhite inventors, innovators, engineers and scientists in the US. All the way back to the 1600s and 1700s. Ex: Benjamin Banneker.

Over time after slavery ended and nonwhites were gradually allowed more and more equal opportunity in the US there have been an increasing number of nonwhite scientists, engineers, mathematicians, innovators, doctors, inventors, etc. If you go to most large hospitals in the US these days a good number of the doctors are African, Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern.

Fun Fact: Did you know the first refrigeration and freezer units in moving vans and trucks was invented by a black man? Before Frederick McKinley Jones made it possible to transport meat and dairy items across country by being able to keep them cold or frozen so they won't spoil there was little way to move such items across country. You had to go to local farmers or grocers to get those items. Now they can be made in California and be taken to be sold in New York.

Another fun fact: The computer is not a singular thing. It's a collection of several different machines and software working together. It doesn't have a single inventor. I'm pretty sure some parts of the computer have a black inventor or innovator along the way. I know one of the earliest commercial cell phones was made by a black person.

3rd fun fact: There are few things in this world that are purely an "African" or "European" or "Asian" invention. The majority of technological items in any continent are at least partially based on technology they encountered from other cultures. Europe is no exception. Ex: Guns, which Europe used to take over most of the world, originated mostly from Asia.

Off the top of my head carbon steel is something that was invented in Africa with virtually no outside influence. The Haya people of Tanzania invented a high-temperature blast furnace (burns at temperatures above 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) about 2,000 years ago that allows them to create high-quality carbon steel. They did this long before contact with any Europeans and still do it today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haya_people

You can find plenty of African technology if you read articles on the history of Africa or the history of science and tech in Africa.

So will that hat be a Bowler, Pork Pie or 10-gallon? ;)

old comment by Pist

Also, Anon, if you've ever been a fan of any bluegrass or country music that uses banjos. Or how about Jazz and the Blues? The first stone weaponry and tools that helped humanity be more than just another primate, perhaps?

Vox is right. There is no scientific concept of race. The idea is that if you are going to categorize such different groups of people by skin tone, you are using something as arbitrary as categorizing by lactose intolerance or amount of body hair. Plus, thanks to the wonders of genetic testing, it has been found that you're more likely to be more closely related to someone with a different skin tone than someone with the same. The thing I saw on it had a white guy from Scandinavia being most similar genetically to the darkest black guy there.

Besides, everybody's ancesty has some dark skin in it, seeing as our ancestors came from Africa. We white people are just Africans who stuck to the shade for a few thousand years.

old comment by Vox

@Brendan Rizzo - Read and find Zen-like Enlightenment. :)

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1893020

Weiss KM and Fullerton SM (2005) Racing around, getting nowhere. Evolutionary Anthropology 14: 165169

"The cluster structure of the genetic data is therefore dependent on the initial hypotheses of the researcher and the populations sampled. When one samples continental groups the clusters become continental, if one had chosen other sampling patterns the clustering would be different. Weiss and Fullerton have noted that if one sampled only Icelanders, Mayans and Maoris, three distinct clusters would form and all other populations could be described as being clinally composed of admixtures of Maori, Icelandic and Mayan genetic materials."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29#Fixation_index

Around 90% of human genetic biodiversity is found WITHIN continents rather than between them. With Africa being the most genetically diverse continent (Africa holds almost 100% of all human genetic diversity) and Australia being the least (holding around 70% of human genetic diversity). A random French man has more in common genetically with a random Ethiopian or Kenyan man than he would with a random Russian man.

There is more genetic difference between sex than "race" or skin color. All white men have more in common genetically with all black men than either does with white women. Hell, black and white men almost all share the Y-chromosome. Almost all white women (and almost no other women of any color) have that.

old comment by Vox

@Brendan Rizzo - There is a rare syndrome/birth defect (whatever you want to consider it) among women called "AIS" ("Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

It's when biological females are born with a Y-chromosome instead of 2 X-chromosomes. It causes things like deep voice, stronger muscular build, sometimes un-descended testes instead of ovaries (which can become cancerous sometimes if not removed before a ways into adulthood) and lack of periods and/or sterility.

It's pretty rare but South African runner Caster Semenya was discovered to have it in 2009:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1920289,00.html

It cost her an award since she didn't know about it ahead of time.

Also, rarely, biological men can be born with 2 X-chromosomes instead of 1 Y-chromosome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

old comment by Anon

I'm afraid you've mostly missed the point, I'm saying that if white Europeans are genetically inferior then how can you explain the drastic difference between living conditions in Europe and Africa?
That's not to say that white people are genetically superior, of course they aren't, but that any claim of white inferiority is easily dismissed upon examination of the condition of Europe compared to Africa.
I did love how few African inventions you were able to come up with, though.
Not to belittle the efforts of black Americans, who are responsible for a number of notable additions to our lives, but they aren't African inventions.
Finally, the point about computers being made up of a number of different intentions is both petty and irrelevant, especially when I've seen some of you use the same line of argument towards religious fundamentalists.

old comment by Anon

Now as I'm at home on my computer, and not using my mobile phone, I can add a few things.
It should be fairly clear that I'm not claiming genetic superiority or inferiority for any race, as I'm quite in agreement that racial differences are essentially meaningless minor changes that occurred in order to adapt to different environmental conditions in the area that the particular group of humans chose to call home.
If this isn't clear then you really are searching hard to find a way to claim that I'm a racist, which brings me neatly to my next point:
The original comment that was posted here is hideously racist, he was claiming that another race is genetically inferior to his own, which is pretty much the definition of racism, and yet it attracted little comment, no claims about him being mentally deficient, or living in his mother's basement, or being unemployed, or any of the usual accusation that are immediately leveled at white racists.
This could be put down to random differences in what people felt like posting, were it not for the fact that you all so gleefully jumped at the opportunity to call me racist and post snotty comments (Vox's comments are the funniest to me, as he went further in comically missing the point than any of the rest of you.) This seems strange to me, the muted comments towards a blatantly obvious racist are tame in comparison to the ones towards someone you had to go through a fair amount of mental gymnastics to label as racist...

old comment by Anon

...I've noticed that this is a common theme here, though.
White racists are immediately attacked and refuted, as they should be, but on the rare occasions that they do crop up, black racists are treated differently.
The comments towards black racists are relatively few, and far more tame, they employ far fewer personal attacks, in fact I've not seen personal comments directed towards black racists once on this site, compared to the mountains of them that are thrown at white racists.
This because racism only works in one direction, white people are the only ones who can be accused of racism, and the rare instances that black people are racist are treated as if they weren't as severe.

I understand that it's all part of showing how super-tolerant and not racist you are, and that it makes you feel good and everything, and you feel uncomfortable saying anything negative about a black person in case people don't see how super-not-racist you are, but it's still horrendously lopsided.

Racism should be treated the same regardless of the source, white supremacy is abhorrent, black supremacy is abhorrent, there is literally no difference between the two, they are just as incorrect and disgusting.

So in summary, I didn't miss the point, you did.
Shame on you.

old comment by Vox

@Anon - Well, economic performance is not really a measure of genetic "superiority" or "inferiority".

1) Being wealthy does not mean something is genetically hardier. "Genetic superiority", if there is such a thing, is measured by how successfully a group adapts to change. Ironically, white supremacists are implying white people are pretty genetically weak since they believe "white people" won't survive unless they're kept in complete population and cultural isolation. Anything that can't go on if it encounters other groups is pretty inflexible.

2) Economics is a heavily (if not entirely) environmentally-influenced activity. Comparing Africa and Europe is a no-go from an intellectual standpoint because the 2 continents were under entirely different circumstances. Europe became a largely united continent (through a lot of pain) that became wealthy from conquering other places outside of Europe as they developed a nifty tool, the gun (also bringing foreign germs to other lands), at a time their economy was coming out of the Dark Ages. Africa was and is a largely divided continent that was invaded during the fall of several economic and military powerhouses (such as the Songhai Empire, the Oyo Empire, Great Zimbabwe, the Swahili city-states) as the gold market dried up and as incursion from the Arab Expansion uprooted many of the wealthier states. It would be like comparing a man who got a flu but was given medicine and got into sports after he recovered to a man who got a flu, got no treatment, then suffered kidney failure because of it, then went into financial debt due to the medical expenses, and is currently awaiting a transplant while on dialysis and working odd jobs to get some of the debt off.

Unlike Europe, much of the resources and capital in Africa is still owned by the West and it has had numerous puppet dictatorships installed by the West in the 20th century to make sure things stayed that way.

old comment by Vox

"I did love how few African inventions you were able to come up with, though."

1) There are few inventions that are totally indigenous to ANY of the continents. Most inventions are partially or completely inspired (or even directly lifted, like some of Italian cuisine is from China) from other places.

2) I could list more but I'm not going to spam the comment board with a long laundry list of things that originate or appeared earliest in African civilizations or had a black inventor.

"Finally, the point about computers being made up of a number of different intentions is both petty and irrelevant"

It's pretty relevant since the computer is not a singular thing per se and doesn't have a single inventor. A computer is a machine comprised of several machines, most with separate inventors. It's like claiming a single person invented the Space Shuttle.

I fail to see what religious fundamentalism has to do with that.....

"I can add a few things"

You were incorrect about the cell phone, the first commercial cell phone had a black inventor.

Some of these things you're simply assuming had a white inventor when some of them didn't.

old comment by Vox

"If this isn't clear then you really are searching hard to find a way to claim that I'm a racist"

I didn't even call you that. Nor was I directly implying that either. I DID say you were mistaken (and I still think you're still partly mistaken) when I said "that's a pretty false statement". Some other posters actually DID flat-out call you a racist, though. While you're accusing me of "going further than anyone else". I think you really need to look back at the comments. Several were much harsher on you than anything I said.

Perhaps you're upset because my response to yours was the most painstakingly-researched but it was nowhere near the most "snotty" or vicious. Someone else literally posted "LOL @ Racist Anon".

"The comments towards black racists are relatively few, and far more tame, they employ far fewer personal attacks, in fact I've not seen personal comments directed towards black racists once on this site, compared to the mountains of them that are thrown at white racists."

I'm not really seeing that. Many of the black racists also get accused of being broke, basement-dwelling losers or unemployed or having low intelligence, just like the whites racists. Which they should. Racists in general are a notoriously stupid bunch, at the least uninformed. No matter what the color. Ones that go on about being descended from "kings and queens in Africa" often get brought back down to reality that they're most likely the descendants of rural tribes who were captured and sold into slavery by other African tribes or by slavers in African cities.

Also, the main reason there are less entries from black racists is that there are far fewer blacks in the US than whites. There are also less blacks in the media (even per capita, unless you include entertainers, singers and pro athletes) and probably fewer blacks with Internet access in the US due to blacks being 2-2.5x more likely to live below the poverty line than whites.

old comment by Vox

"Not to belittle the efforts of black Americans, who are responsible for a number of notable additions to our lives, but they aren't African inventions."

Well hell, by those standards inventions from white people in the Americas or Australia shouldn't be considered part of "Western civilization" since it was done outside of Europe.

Even European inventions after the 1300s and 1400s were heavily influenced by or sometimes made possible by contact with technology and inventions from the Middle East and China.*

*I don't know if you're implying African inventions based on originally foreign technology wouldn't count as "African" either but I've seen some people try to add that stipulation as to what counts as "African" or not.

"This because racism only works in one direction, white people are the only ones who can be accused of racism, and the rare instances that black people are racist are treated as if they weren't as severe."

I don't know who honestly believes this except for possibly Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Even they make the distinction that it's entirely possible for a black person to be a bigot or racially prejudiced. They hesitate to use the term "racist" about a black person because they define racism as "Prejudice + Power". They claim racism is the ability to socially or institutionally enforce your bigotry on others to adversely effect their lives or safety or limit their socioeconomic and/or political opportunities.

I tend to just define racism as "racial prejudice/ethnic bigotry" like most laypeople do. I also acknowledge that some black people are capable of even Jesse & Al's definition of "racism" since there are some black people in positions of power now in the West. Though it would probably be rare by their definition since any black person in power adversely affecting white people usually quickly gets the boot when white laypeople or white oversight authorities complain.

old comment by Anon

@Vox:
Good point, upon looking again your comment was not the most snotty at all, so I'm sorry for that.
What I said about my mobile phone was that I was no longer writing on it because I'd gotten home, not about who invented it, I don't know who did invent it, actually.
I'm also certainly not saying that black people never invented anything, or that white people invented everything, I'm only saying that the majority of the world's technology was made in countries dominated by white Europeans, and that if white people were genetically inferior then this would be an unlikely scenario.
I've got to go to work, so I'll elaborate later, but we're mostly splitting hairs here to be honest, you're taking what I said to mean a lot more than it did, I'm specifically refuting the claim of white genetic inferiority, by pointing out that if it were the case then countries dominated by white people would be doing notably worse than countries dominated by black people, which is demonstrably not the case.

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