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How cool would it be to put a pic on your phone of a doll with a yellow smiley-face taped to it's head, go to the local clinic, join the ranks of the christ-stains, and show the pic to all the "sinner-whores?"
Yeah, good luck with trying to see ANYTHING with those things, given that the majority of abortions take place in the first trimester. You can't even see much of anything until around eight weeks or so, generally using trans-vaginal ultrasounds -- and the images they produce are difficult to distinguish, requiring experts to decipher where everything is (although I wouldn't put it past these people to pretend they could read the images, pointing out the fetus' foot, which is actually the placenta or something). You'd basically have to rape the women and then show them blurry images of grey blobs, which doesn't exactly seem like it would be too effective. And that's not even taking into account that you'd be chasing the women, and thus moving too quickly to get any clear images... unless you think that the woman are actually going to hold still for you while you scan their bellies.
Can you imagine some random person going in for a pap smear or free birth control walking up to the doors, only to be accosted by a psycho with a hand-held ultrasound machine trying to take pictures of their empty womb? That would make for some good comedy when the psychos pretend to read the images and claim that her ovaries are the fetus' head.
Just for show, here we have an eight week ultrasound:
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Aw, look at its cute blob! And those shadows -- my, he's going to be a real lady killer with those! It even has its mother's indistinguishable grey circle!
...and they still have no idea when abortions are actually carried out. i mean, these are women for fucks sake, they should know when abortions are normally done and that what a women is carrying in her womb looks nothing like a baby yet.
I think Mrs. Antichrist deserves an Internet for neatly summing up our basic counter-argument, and being funny about it! Seriously, leave those women alone! I know they have the right to protest, but wouldn't this fall under harassment or something?
The link posted by jsonitsac indicated the device is not available in the US (its pending FDA approval, I'd guess.)
How much you wanna bet the fundies will claim its an effort to keep from spreading the truth about abortion?
@ #1050322 Mrs. Antichrist:
Wow, that ultrasound picture has SonoCT® and XRes enabled.
I think I understand fundamentalist logic now! Anything that has the taint of Science on it is obviously evil, but as soon as the holy duality of and ® shows up, it's God-given Capitalism that must be approved of and spread widely.
No doubt the real reason why the original poster was excited about this product was that tiny little after the Vscan name!
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"Called the Vscan, the device is the size of a large flip phone an...d can quickly and easily show women a video of the baby growing inside their wombs just steps away from abortion clinics."
You know that most abortions are performed on "babies" that are smaller than a pea, right? I'm not so sure a fuzzy blob on a screen will be all that convincing.
"Praise God for this scientific breakthrough!"
Science is evil. All the fundies say so, unless they're trying to convince me of something. Then it's as holy as Jebus himself.
Odd that.
"Praise God for this scientific breakthrough!"
So if Jehovamagod is all-powerful, and this is It's will, why did It withhold this invention for so long? Patent problems?
The vast majority of abortions are before the 12th week. The fetus is typically about an inch and a half long and weighs about 1/3 of an ounce - about the size of the last joint of your thumb.
No woman undertakes abortion lightly. They've already considered and agonized over anything you're likely to tell them before reporting to the clinic. You need to get over the bigoted, holier (and smarter)-than-thou myth you've brainwashed yourself into believing that a woman just drops in for an abortion on her way to getting her nails done.
I wonder if it'll work on my digestive system. The way I've been feeling lately I'm pretty sure there's a few things alive in there.
And if some guy comes up to me with one of those devices without my permission, I'm going to "abort" his testicles.
Oh, good. You'll be able to see how freaking wrong you are about embryos and their development.
I agree with everyone calling this assault.
What a sick, sick people you are. To point some untested thing to pregnant women, that are the most vulnerable of every population, just because you can? How do you call people like those... ah yes. Assholes!
Sure, it will show them that it looks more like a tadpole than a fetus near birth, like the photos the anti-abortionists like to display. Go right ahead.
Unless they were sufficiently unscrupulous to hack the machine (or just build a fake one - hey, it works for scientology) to play a recorded video of the latter situation. I wouldn't put it past quite a few of them to do that, either; there's a certain kind of person who sees nothing wrong with presenting fake evidence for something they sincerely believe to be true if genuine observational data supporting it can't be had, and you get a hell of a lot of them in the allegedly pro-life crowd, hence the misleading photos (almost invariably wildly inconsistent with each other, uncaptioned and with no possible way of knowing where the hell they came from) you mention.
Brain_in_a_Jar wrote
Unless they were sufficiently unscrupulous to hack the machine... to play a recorded video of the latter situation.
If you look up the promo video of the device on the interwebs that's all the demo one is doing.
Okayyy...way too many speculations going on here.Let me share some info, so you people don't sound like fundies.
Portable ultrasound scanners, the size of a big cellphone, have been around for some years already. I have seen them used for research into insulation materials. Never heard of them being sold as a consumer gadget.
In order to take get an ultrasound echo image, you need to firmly press the ultrasound wave generator (sort of like a speaker) to the body of what you're trying to look into. So there won't be any snapping of pictures of fetuses. In order to do a scan, medically-qualified prolife sidewalk counselors bible-thumpers would have to have the woman expose her stomach, and then trace the generator over her stomach. So yeah, that would be considered assault if done without permission.
Ultrasound is not exactly radiation, so no cancer. However, when handled by an over eager bible thumper with zero qualifications...well, let's just say that in fetus vs. ultrasound, I wouldn't bet on fetus.
Now, anyone can comment on the availability of medical gadgets to the masses?
Two other things I just noticed about this post:
(1) I see they're using "Good News", in the Christian sense, i.e. "Good news! You're a dirty rotten sinner condemned to Hell!"
(2) "Praise God for this scientific breakthrough!" sounds like an oxymoron.
Of course, most of the time science is "of the devil," but this time it can be used to harass innocent women execising their lawful right to control their bodies, so it's godly./b]
{can quickly and easily show women a video of the baby growing inside their wombs }
No, it would show a random fetus that might possibly look like the one inside her womb.
My spider sense tells me your lying. Even if you did have one, using it on someone here in UK without their consent you would be commiting common assult. And anyway a human fetus does not look any near human until about 12 weeks, (it looks more reptilian) whichis why we have a 12 week limit on abortions here.
Kind of pathetic that you jump to the conclusion that everything out there is invented for the sole purpose of helping your cause. I'm pretty sure GM had other things in mind like, oh I don't know, easier transport between exam rooms, using up less storage space, could possibly be used by EMTs to detect internal injuries at accident sites, handy for doctors who travel from location to location, such as military, Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders physicians.
I highly doubt they had invasion of privacy in mind.
The thing that bugs me is how these fundies think that women must be so stupid to not realize they have a potential baby growing inside them, and all they have to do is show them a picture and the women will go "Ooooh! How cute! I just can't kill my baby now!" I think in some states they either passed a law or were trying to pass a law that any woman seeking an abortion had to have an ultrasound done by a doctor who would describe in detail what was being shown on the screen.
So science is finally good enough for you? I thought you rejected it.
Also, we will stop "persecuting" you morons when you stop harassing innocent people.
General Electric outranks god.
I wish these cretins encounter a woman with a fake belly containing a 'chest burster', just waiting for the appropriate time to trigger it....
Considering the palaver that ensued trying to take an ultrasound of the herniated muscle in my leg (barrier to ultrasound waves one layer of skin and hair with very cold jelly to negate the hair [yes and to give a better transeption of the waves]) I think you'll be doing well to convince anyone to strip down and jelly up in the street to take the scan, and it's be some sort of statistical anomaly to see anything, and even if you did see something it wouldn't be what you think you'd see...
But then I'm an evil, Pearlist, engineer, so I'm in on it, right? ;~)
Regardless of whether this is real or not, these peeps have absolutely no concept of personal space or privacy. I wouldn't want somef fetus-humping freak trying to take pictures of my insides on the street. The first anti who would use this deserves to have their teeth knocked through the back of their head.
Okay, I actually double checked with a GE Healthcare rep, they have a transportable ultrasound machine available in the US. It's made for doctors in remote regions and is about the size of a laptop. Not exactly hand-held. It also costs about $100,000. So I don't think these idiots will be buying one soon.
Here's a link to the VScan though.
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Now, this just makes me want to show a photo of open heart surgery to their grandfather...see whether he would decide for or against that operation. (Sorry if this sounds mean, hearing about tactics like this bring out the mean thoughts in me.)
At the time most women get an abortion, it’s not going to look like a baby, yet. I would suspect chicanery. After a few times of showing a woman what’s in her uterus and getting ‘Ew, GROSS! “ they’ll wave their phone at the woman’s belly and show them a picture of an 8-month fetus.
Confused?
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