[ Katie:please stop quoting the daily mail in your recent news section, the daily mail don't report news, they reported twisted lies and falsities. ]
Katie, I'm afraid we can't separate the religious worldview from the actions. Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists? Are we seriously to believe that the different behaviours have nothing to do with the examples set by the founders of those reli...gions?
discounting the daily mail as a reputable source for news is fine by me as long as we can also discount the Guardian and the BBC. You have to wonder why those other media organisations don't report these important stories about the marginalisation of Christianity in Britain.
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You have to wonder why those other media organisations don't report these important stories about the marginalisation of Christianity in Britain.
Because they, as previously stated, report on actual news rather than made-up ones. Do pay attention, or you shall have no pudding.
Yes because of course there has never been any religious extremism from christians... right.
And most people have long since discounted the BBC as a reputable news source.
Marginalisation of christianity? Cue the persecuted pie-chart in 3..2..1..
So what about all those clinic bombers, the KKK, the Sons of Freedom, the Lancieri, Lord's Resistance Army, Christian Identity, and the Christian Patriots?
Do those not count as "Christian extremists"?
Hell, what about the IRA, since you're in the UK? You must have heard of them.
Also, the Daily Mail is a tabloid rag. They tried to give credibility to a freaking "psychic healer," ffs.
Uh, this is coming from Britain?
Weren't there attacks on Britain from Christian extremists from Ireland not too long ago? Isn't there still violence in Ireland due to Christian extremists?
How ignorant do you have to be to not know of the extremists within your own parent nation?
I don't know about these specific news media, but I do know that you ought to get your news information from several different media, with different viewpoints. You might get pissed off by the ones with opposite viewpoints from your own, but you still learn stuff, and you get a "depth vision" of the news.
The Inquisitions, the Crusades, the Dark Ages, the Witch Trials, the Herecy Trials... Shall I go on?
Yikes! UK fundies!!
The "daily fail" is their refuge. It is the UK inky equivalent of "Faux News"
Try this fellow FSTDT users
http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/
No christian extremists?
LMFAO!
Wait, wut? You're serious?
A shitload of dead children in Oklahoma City would love to have a word with you.
Oklahoma city bombings were not terrorism? Oh no. They were done by Christians. McVeigh and the one with the unpronouceable name that nobody is too bothered about because of 9/11.
The killing of doctors who are not breaking the law, this is not terrorism by Christians?
It's pretty clear that there is a high dose of hypocrisy here as my hypocrisy meter is incandescent right now.
As to marginalisation of Christianity in Britain, it is the national religion enshrined around the monarchy and the Church of England. These exist since the time of the Reformation and before, so what are you talking about. Christianity is effectively the law in England. So, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, Mr. David Thomas. How embarrassing to have your ignorance exposed like this!
I'd go for discounting all British media as reputable, they're all pretty biased, the difference is that the Daily Fail is somewhat more obvious than most.
"Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists? "
Explain to us how you missed the doctor shooters and the tea partiers taking guns to town meetings
Folks, the situation in Northern Ireland was NOT about religion. It was about sovereignty and territory and it just so happened (for historical reasons) that the people on one side were a different Christian demonination to the people on the other side.
Now to answer this David Thomas. I grant him that nowadays there are not so many Christian extremists/terrorists - although there are still some, and he needs to acknowledge that.
But Christian history is one of aggression and terrorism and genocide etc. The only difference between it and Islam is that it had a 500-year head start, and it is now aware that it cannot force its views physically. If it could, it would.
discounting the daily mail as a reputable source for news is fine by me as long as we can also discount the Guardian and the BBC
Yep, you can continue to "read" your infotainment tabloids and call them news, that's what tabloids like the Mail are for - people who want a paper but don't want to read!
Surely Britain is a pagan country? I mean, if your main argument is that some foreign religion shouldn't be allowed to swan in and take over, either by force or attrition, then Christianity is on no better ground than Islam in this regard.
The behaviour of Christians and Muslims is generally little different, with neither having a monopoly on violence (BBC News ).
BTW, I would have used a Daily Mail link to the fighting in Jos but they haven't bothered to cover it for some reason.
If Britain is a christian country, and britain is involved in a number of wars and I think a war is still an act of terrorism, unless we want to toy around with words here, then we can only conclude that there are christian terrorists.
No Christian extremists? Were you even alive in the 1980's when Northern Ireland was in turmoil? Remember the 1990's with the OKC bombing, Eric Rudolph, and Christian militias everywhere? And more recently, bombing of abortion clinics and the murder of Dr. George Tiller?
Religion is never the reason for violence. It's always the excuse. People don't follow God, despite what they claim - they decide what they want to do first, then find some way to convince themselves that God agrees with them.
Christianity has ALREADY been marginalized in the U.K.
That's one of the reasons I respect the Brits!
If only it could be so marginalized here in the good old U.S. of Asses.
Dave, have you ever wondered why that newspaper is known as the Daily Fail?
It's okay, it can be difficult for the hard of thinking to figure that out.
"You have to wonder why those other media organisations don't report these important stories about the marginalisation of Christianity in Britain."
Fnord. No, I don't have to wonder. I bet it has something to do with checking one's sources.
The BBC is one of the least biased news organisations on the planet, apart from gentle liberal leanings. As to the Irish argument it WAS orginatly over religion (it holds the title of being the only country where England forced its religoin on the natives) however it has long since moved past that.
"Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists?"
Granted, he's been dead and gone for a while now, but does the name Paul Hill ring a bell? Dr. Britton? His unlucky bodyguard?
Nothing?
Screw you, David Thomas, and get your ass back in Wendy's!!
@#1098768
"The BBC is one of the least biased news organisations on the planet, apart from gentle liberal leanings."
Like the Religious Right in the US, David Thomas is the type who thinks that if news providers don't express 'opinions' in their newscasts, they're biased. Fortunately the UK has an independent regulator and competition authority for the UK communications industries body called OFCOM. Sky News once criticised another rival channel (for not being like Sky's US sister channel Fox News), and was fined £250,000 & forced to apologise on air. OFCOM has the power to make news channels in the UK unbiased.
Probably why Fux News doesn't have a UK arm - if it was right-wing at any time, it'd be forced to be simultaneously left-wing as well. And thus, if anyone on such presented a fundie viewpoint, he/she would have to be Atheist too.
Then it would be truly 'Fair and Balanced'.
Pup wrote:
"Weren't there attacks on Britain from Christian extremists from Ireland not too long ago? Isn't there still violence in Ireland due to Christian extremists?" No no no, those were CATHOLIC extremists!
And as every good Jack-Chick-reading fundie will tell you, Catholics aren't Christians.
@ Anon-e-moose
The reason that Faux news gets away with what it does is because they have an entertainment license. They have successfully won lawsuits claiming that because they are an entertainment channel, they don't actually have to tell the truth.
Maybe the UK doesn't play that game. Not sure about Canada, we can get Faux (its a digital subscription channel) but I believe it's just American feed and doesn't actually have any Canadian content other than commercials.
"Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists?"
What fucking world is David living in? In the last 15 years, we've had the OKC bombing, several abortion-clinic bombings, the murder of atheists and Pagans by Christians for not being Christians too, Joel's Army is threatening to stage a violent coup for Jesus, Dr. Tiller's murder and the defense thereof by Christians...
Yeah, that's fucking terrorism. By Christians. In the US alone. I'm sure similar incidents have happened abroad, too.
Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists?
The Ku Klux Klan
I could go on...
'Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists?'
The so-called 'Army of God' is a fundy Christian terrorist organization. And there is another Christian extremist organization in the USA - it's called the Republican Party.
> Explain to us why we have islamic extremists causing terrorism all around the world and not Christian extremists?
You know, the's this one largish island next to Britain that apparently had some problems with different brands of Christian religion, if I remember correctly.
And as I recall, one of your kings went a-massacrin' around in Holy Land, which meant guys in tights had to hop around Sherwood Forest and whatnot. Not pleasant time, that, either.
The difference is pretty much that they managed to take over their governments, whereas you're still trying to.
Probably helps that all their holy lands are right there, whereas you have fewer sites to whip you into a frenzy.
Religious violence is almost always stirred up by political factors. If you allow religion to reign as the government, you end up with violence.
If Christians lived in theocracies, they'd be doing the same things... and, in fact, they DID do the same things back when the church held authority over England & other European nations, and did those things very recently in Ireland.
@raindrops
Up yours, you piece of shit. First of all, learn the meaning of the word of "terrorism", and "Eastern Europe" or "Africa" are not a religion.
Just an opinion, the BBC the most reputable news agency in the world.
If this guys never heard of the IRA or Irelands bombings, he's not reading or watching the right news
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