You've got to realize that an atheist's perspective is by definition irrational and not therefore subject to "rational argument".
What I mean is this: Atheism is a universal negative which is a logical contradiction...and to affirm a logical contradiction is irrational...therefore there isn't a thing in the world that you can say from a "human" perspective; because any argument you present will be filtered from a view that has irrationality as its very foundation.
What you can do however is to speak the word of God...let that word do God's work. It has been my experience that people forget what I said...but once they hear the scripture it gets into their head and heart and can really "nag" at them.
Your friend probably gets quite agitated when you start quoting scripture (I've had people come completely un-glued on me)...but that's a good thing...because it tells me that the Holy Spirit is doing His job of bringing conviction to a hard heart.
If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't be so bothered by it, would they?
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"If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't be so bothered by it, would they? "
We aren't bothered by the scripture, dipshit. We're bothered by you flapping your gums about it incessantly and believing you're making a positive impact on us or the world.
I'll start quoting people who don't believe in god, then. If it bothers you, it means reality is bringing knowledge to a thick skull.
If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't be bothered by it, would you?
No, what nags at us is how crazy religious people can be. And yes, we do become agitated when fundies start quoting scripture because we just can't believe that someone actually believes everything in an ancient book of superstition written by superstitious bronze-age goat herders is true.
or maybe they belong to one of the other million non-christian religions that are out there? just a guess.
No, it's mostly down to scripture being entirely irrelevant most of the time it's brought up in debate between the religious and non-religious. Especially when it's used as a dodge to a legitimate question. (Hint: 'A fool says in his heart, there is no God,' and the bevy of other common phrases you think win an argument mean jack shit to me or any other atheist.)
When you stop claiming that edited, ignorant, full of rape and hate book is perfect and using those scriptures as excuses to back your abuse, violence and hatred of others, then we won't have a problem
"What I mean is this: Atheism is a universal negative which is a logical contradiction"
No it isn't.
Firstly, "there is no prime number exactly divisible by 4!" is a universal negative, but not a logical contradiction. Incorrect deduction.
Secondly, atheism isn't a universal negative, since it is not the condition of there being no gods, it is action of (a) believing there are no gods, or (b) lacking belief in gods. Category error.
"If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't be so bothered by it, would they?"
So the outpouring of anger over the "atheist buses" is proof that you have started doubting the existance of God is it?
If I get angry it is because I do not like being lied to by hypocrites. Go figure.
I don't like when people start rampantly quoting Scripture at me, because they do it when they know they're wrong and refuse to admit it. They choose ignorance over reasonable thought, and that drives me nuts.
The reason I become annoyed when people quote scripture to me is because doing so is the mark of some one who has given up all their rational faculties. Many times when people do this, I ask them to explain the contradiction among the gospels as to the day of Jesus' death. They always deny that there is a contradiction, or else dismiss it as irrelevant. More than a few have become "unglued" as you put it, which pretty much ends the conversation.
Now, what was that you were saying about "rational arguments?"
Too bad I don't meet fundies so often, now I wonder how they'd react if I memorised totally random verses of the bible and then quoted them as if they made a point. Not contradictory or awful ones, just unrelated ones.
"Then Jesus went to Paul's house and ate fish and then left" What do you say about that?????????? EH????? *crazed facial expression*
It ISN'T a universal negative; most atheists take the view that claims of God's existence are unsupported by evidence, meaning there is no reason to believe other than faith, which isn't something we're willing to throw out.
There is no logical contradiction.
Incorrect. It is so frsutrating for us to see morons like you think that scripture has some sort of validity to it. That's whey we come "unglued".
Athiesm is not a universal negative either. If you come at me with an idea and abck it up with demonstrable evidence you will have my attention. Of course, you have none.
Not only am I not bothered, you stupid piece of shit, I laugh in your worthless face. Shit like you are mildly entertaining, like a drunk in a New Orleans gutter.
These jerks used to come up to me in public places and start spewing their scripture, unannounced and definitely uninvited. Now that I'm ready for them, they don't come around any more... why is that?
You don't have to "believe" to quote scripture, ya know.
Right, so if I quote Harry Potter to you, and you get agitated, I'll know that it's bringing conviction to your heart? Otherwise you wouldn't be bothered, right?
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