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ClayJar #fundie

Almost everything you described (apart from the audible voice) I went through - actually, I forgot this until I read your story: there was once after a long 3hour debate (we argued Buddhist thinking - which he supports - vs Christianity), he paused and looked at me and said, "It's like you're Married to Jesus Christ." That took me by surprise - he GOT Christianity on some level - human marriage IS a reflection of our first covenant with Jesus.. and I said really quietly, "yes". And he just shook his head and said, "I don't want to marry Jesus." I remember sitting there with tears in my eyes, he was so near and yet so far! The agony was so intense! I mean, I feel sad when I think of friends or family members who are not saved, but that grief was different to this horrible feeling - and I knew it's because I wanted him so badly to be saved, not only for him, but so that I could stay with him. I wanted my way instead of God's way. God was telling me, this is not your job, walk away.

It Was a really dark time - I don't ever want to go back.

I sometimes still feel it in the pit of my stomach when I think about him, and it's what makes me not feel like eating or sleeping or going about life in my normal cheer. And I know it's a spiritual fight inside - but I don't want any more of it. It is getting better, it's not as bad as 2 months ago.

One day at a time. I know one day I'll be ok. :hug:

Thank you.

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shawnZshihan #fundie

Hello Board,

I am currently fasting (Matthew 17:21) to overcome a spirit of adultery - I have not committed it, but I have been getting unwanted advances from women I do not even know (I go down the street to a Taco Bell, and I get bothered by some lady working there). While I was fasting one evening, I saw a spirit that looked like a woman in a blue dress - this spirit has been following me everywhere, and I assume it is the reason for the problems. I told the spirit to leave, but it is stubborn. I felt the Lord tell me to keep fasting and to watch my thought life more - even innocent thoughts can cause problems.

I am under a bit of pressure right now from work/job, and this is making the situation all the more problematic. I don't know if anyone else has ever seen this kind of spirit, but this demon is a light blue color and looks like a woman. I am doing ok right now, but I just wanted some encouragement and any advice you folks might have.

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moonglow #fundie

No one is born gay or bisexual...there is no scientific proof of this. I know that is what the gay community says, but all the research for this has been disproven. In other words you have been lied too. If bisexuals or homosexuals were born this way..why are their ex gays? ex bisexuals?

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Diggindeeper #fundie

Bluerose, I looked at your profile and according to you, you are a Christian. I notice this is your first post. You came to this board and headed straight here to ask about this. So, I'm not going to waste your time or mine. And I'm going to be blunt. I think that's what you need.

Let me say first of all that I don't think anyone is here by accident, you included.

Now, God does not make mistakes. He created man and he created woman. Never, never in His word does he condone or even hint that its fine to be homosexual, or lesbian, or even bisexual. And Sweetie, you and I don't have time to waste like we once did. So bluntly, you were NOT 'just born this way.'

You marked that you are a Christian. Its time to act like it. The days of pretending are over. You don't have the luxury to ponder which sin you want to participate in any longer. I advise that you repent and stop this silly pondering. Don't mock my God again with that "If I marry my boyfriend, in my whole life I will never have even kissed a woman." Christ Jesus did not die that awful death so you can say you are a Christian and come here wanting us to say...what? Do you think a one of us here would advise you to go on with this?

Time is too short. Its time to repent and get your heart right with God. What you need to do is repent and pray and get into that Bible. If you don't have one, there is Bibles right here that you can read. You and that boyfriend need to be praying together and studying the Word together and find a good Bible teaching church for the two of you, whether you end up marrying or not.

Its time to stop this mockery of Almighty God. Here's some scripture for you to think on, rather than the foolish things you have been thinking on:

Romans 1:21-32
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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Raybob #fundie

Therein lies the problem. You obviously spend much time in fantasy (TV, movies). If you spent half as much time in reading the bible as you spent watching fantasy, I don't think you'd have these ideas about aliens and such. Earth is the only planet in the world that can support life. Even NASA will tell you water is not found anywhere in space other than planet earth. No life can live without water.

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mcgyver #fundie

You've got to realize that an atheist's perspective is by definition irrational and not therefore subject to "rational argument".

What I mean is this: Atheism is a universal negative which is a logical contradiction...and to affirm a logical contradiction is irrational...therefore there isn't a thing in the world that you can say from a "human" perspective; because any argument you present will be filtered from a view that has irrationality as its very foundation.

What you can do however is to speak the word of God...let that word do God's work. It has been my experience that people forget what I said...but once they hear the scripture it gets into their head and heart and can really "nag" at them.

Your friend probably gets quite agitated when you start quoting scripture (I've had people come completely un-glued on me)...but that's a good thing...because it tells me that the Holy Spirit is doing His job of bringing conviction to a hard heart.

If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't be so bothered by it, would they?

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Slug1 #fundie

Soon as the atheist started talking I'd have to pull out my dictionary to understand some of the words they used... that's why they have a hard time believing in Jesus... cause we need to be like children and just have faith and trust... it's that simple

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Prufrock #conspiracy

Posted in response to a question on Pokemon and Baukugon.
What would worry me are not the games themselves, but feeding your child's interest and involvement in the whole anime genre. It leads (and is designed to lead) to a lifelong preoccupation with Japanese cartoon culture, which is totally amoral. Eventually (and sometimes it doesn't take very long), this leads to preoccupation with manga and hentai, which are aimed at older kids, and which often involve the vilest pornography imaginable, including cartoon child pornography, which is enormously popular in Japan. Even in the "mainstream" anime world, the occult and, very specifically, homosexuality are treated as normal, acceptable parts of life.

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Joe King #fundie

So mankind has been around 100,000 years and only now we have the internet. The arrogance of the secular scientist is astounding. Talk about picking and choosing. Everything magically popped out of nothing and is billions of years old, but mankind chose to evolve 100,000 years ago.

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David Taylor #fundie

Old Earther:
How is unending torment in the best interest of a human being?

David Taylor:
This question implies that the alternative to unending torment, (Universalism or Annihilationism) is in the best interest of a human being over the concept of unending torment.

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markinro #fundie

To clarify, the christian perspective is not about disproving evolution. I'm sure you have read this.

GEN 1: In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth

It is quite the opposite, evolution is about disproving creation and therefore disproving the existence of God.

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moonglow #fundie

"I will pray that more information on the vaccine is available soon and the issue can be resolved. At this point I imagine many people are stuck between a rock and a hard place - the fear of possible unknown side-effects and the fear of cervical cancer, which, although it is not one of the worst cancers, only about 35% survive it. Hopefully the truth will be revealed to us soon and the vaccine can eventually be made safe and available for those who want it"

Well of course the bibical response is if we follow what God says to do and wait to have sex until marriage this wouldn't even be an issue. This cancer is caused by a STD. God made these 'rules' to keep us safe because He loves us..instead people see Him has being a 'killjoy' and don't do what He says thinking we know more then Him. And look where that got us!

Of course sadly, women and girls get raped and can get it that way too. (again people not following His Word) I just wish they would make safer vaccines! Seems like they rush to get things out before they are fully tested...

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az6055 #fundie

I got hands laid on me by a minister and church and I felt a power like a lightning bolt kind of. It sunk into my head and I wondered has anybody else felt this.... and is this God's power. I know it sound like a silly question but I need to know.

I was sitting in my chair and the lady went to get some oil and she put it on my head and laid hands on me because demons spirits was telling me to kill myself and they wanted me to speak against God but I wouldn't do it. then I felt something shout through my head like a power or something. I also kept speaking in tongues and I'm starting to feel a lot better. My mind has calmed down a whole lot and I had a spirit crushing my skull and it lifted off of me a few days latter.

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ron brown #fundie

"A friend of ours discovered at 3 months pregnant that her child had only 2 champers in her heart. Therefore an abortion happened. What does this mean to GOD and our friends?

The baby would of never survived if the pregnancy went on."

Only God knows for sure if the baby would have lived or died, God could have healed the child in it's mothers womb if it was his will. It's not up to man to decide if an unborn baby lives or dies, it's up to God to decide.

Your friends can be forgiven for killing their unborn child if they accept Christ as their Lord and savior. Pray that they do.

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amazzin #fundie

*someone uses the word "horny"*

"Cut off your hands and gauge your eyes"

Please be careful of the wording in your posts. It sounds just as terrible as my comments.

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resbmc #fundie

I have lost nearly everything, by Dec. I will lose my house to foreclosure, lost my business, it is God showing me do DEPEND on him, for everything, cause what is coming down the road the next 7-10 years is not going to be pretty.

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keck553 #fundie

I seriously think atheism is a religion. They practice it with religious dogma. Atheists reject God. It's rebellion. One has to have something to rebel against, yes? All atheists I have met are angry people who can not reconcile that the circumstances that cause thier pain is caused by thier sin or the sins of others. Many are victims of false religious teaching and abuse ("you make proselytes twice as fit for hell"). It should be evident that what they are missing is the truth - the shalom of the Gospel of Jesus

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RJ Mac #fundie

No there is no extra-terrestrial life out there when one believes in the Bible.
God created the world in 6 days, stars and planets on day four and their
purpose was to mark the seasons. The world is only 10,000 yrs old, tops.
Life did not evolve over billions of years, therefore there was no time for
life to evolve on other planets and God gave life.

Come judgment day the entire universe will be rolled up like a scroll and
melt away. In one day, everything will be gone. Did Jesus go and start
life on another planet, did He die on another planet, is not one messed
up creation not enough for God to deal with? Come judgment day all those
other people will be judged with us? Or just perish?

I believe in a young earth, this planet is the center of the universe, not
physically speaking but spiritually, when its time for this planet to be gone
everything else goes at the same time. God has His hands full with us,
it took Him just a day to make the moon and the stars, He rested on the
7th, then went to work on what its all created for - Man - He is still
working on me, because I'm created in His image.

Other life forms, no way, a dreamers escape. But here's one for you
Mr. Spock! Christians are the only hope for life anyone on this planet has,
for one day it is going to disappear and the only ones who will survive
are those who have a relationship with God. We are mankind's only and last
hope. And when judgment day happens, mankind will not get any bigger
our numbers will be sealed, we will only grow wiser with Christ.

Jody Foster said, If we are the only ones in this entire universe, what a
waste of space. But I say to Jody, the creation we see shows us how
God loved us, by giving all this to only us.


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Buck shot and Rebel777 #fundie

Fundie 1: Hence the saying "a little knowledge leads one away from God and a lot of knowledge leads one to God]

I got in trouble for the same thing! What can go bang without a fuel and heat source?

Fundie 2: And IMO bangs destroy and kill, never seen explosions create anything other than destruction.

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Mograce2U #fundie

The theory of evolution's greatest enemy is death. They hope to explain life, but I would like to hear them address the reason for death! Now where - outside of the bible, are they going to find evidence that any have lived beyond the 70 or so years we seem to have? And where in those 70 years has anyone seen this spontaneous eruption of some evolved attribute which we do not yet have? Except in butterflies that is... which always seem to come forth in a predictable manner.

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ImmenseDisciple #fundie

Giving up masturbation is hard, and some guys find it's impossible to do so permanently. The best thing you can do is pray whenever you get an erection, and ask God to give you the strength to resist temptation.

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ikester7579 #fundie

All elements in the universe (periodic table) get their properties based on their combinations of 3 specific sub-atomic components. Protons, Neutrons, & Electrons. No element has the same combination. (ie...Gold has 79 protons, 118 neutrons, 79 electrons)Carbon (man) has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons. [666]. This will be the number in which the Anti-Christ will be identified by. And because a clone does not have working sexual organs, this explains why a "cloned" Anti-Christ will not have need for a woman.

How do you think this was written in God's word about the anti-Christ being a man that his number will be 666? When the knowledge of protons, neutrons, and electrons was not even known? It is because the word was written just like God said. It was inspired by God, to where man could write it without flaw. And the knowledge was God knowledge, not the knowledge of man.

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mmcneese #fundie

My name is Matt McNeese. In March 2002 I was arrested for "the largest identity theft case in U.S. history". I spent 4 months incarcerated while spending time in a county jail, federal prison hospital and a detention center in Brooklyn, New York.

Through an incredible turn of events God spared me from the 45 years of prison time I was facing. He gave me 3 years probation instead.

My testimony shows how a Christian turned his back on God completely and the consequences that followed. However, God sat me down in a jail cell and gave me another chance.

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Tonton #fundie

Have you thought about this - ALL HEALING IS OF GOD. Whether a scratch or an organ transplant. It is wonderful that He has enabled man to transplant organs, but HE does the healing.


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the J Man #fundie

[Wow... I took a look at that site [, ed.]... people like that make me MAD!]

Don't let it get you mad. It shows that there are devout christians on the net who are making a difference. The devil is mad. If the devil is mad, then we've have made a difference. So far there has been 29 submissions from Bibleforums. So we know the Lord is doing a work at Bibleforums.

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armistead14 #fundie

What came first, the chicken or the egg. Well, obviously the egg can't create itself, but the first chicken had to come from an egg.

This old saying, actually proves God without doubt..Nothing can be created, without a creator. God created the chicken...first.
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WhisperingGrace #fundie

[If the Bible said the sky was green, would you accept that or would or assume somehow your interpretation of the Bible was wrong?]

I would wake up every day and thank God for His beautiful green sky.

You are attempting to naturalize a supernatural God. The Bible says the wisdom of man is foolisness to God. I assume God knows far better what color the sky is than fallible, imperfect men do.

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Faith44 #fundie

God creates Earth, Man, Animals, etc. in one week. Yet the Book makes no mention of the dinosaurs. Perhaps they could be included under the classification of animals, but even if that is true there is still a problem. From what we can tell, dinosaurs existed 230 million years ago, while humans have only existed for 200,000 years. So how could both have been created in the same week?

Here are some possible explanations I have come up with. I don't necessarily believe these either, but they would fix things.

1. Satan created the fossils to cause controversy over the Bible's credibility.

2. The fossils are actually no more than bone like rocks.

3. A week span during the creation of Earth was much longer than what we now record as a week. For example, perhaps each day then would be equal to 32 million years by how we measure time and after that, days became the length they are today.

4. Scientists who study fossils are wrong in their calculations and the dinosaur fossils are indeed no older than human fossils.

So what do you guys think?

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teshuva #fundie

If you empty your garage completely of any material whatsoever, and wait 10 years, see if a Mercedes will evolve. If not, try waiting 20 years, or 10,000 years! Nothing.

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studyin2show #fundie

I believe the real, observable, testable science reinforces what the word of God says! There is no conflict. It's only when you get into unproven, untestable, unobservable theories that there is even an issue.

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teshuva #fundie

The origin of life is a matter of history; history can only beknown by eyewitness accounts. The Bible is the recorded eyewitness account provided by the Architect of the universe, the Creator of all life.
The Bible isn't in conflict with observable science but is consistent with it. It's the history book of the universe. It thells us about the origin of life and the origin of death. Since we all eventually will face death, the answers in the Bible, authored by the Creator, should be of prime interest.

Is there any explosion that produces order? Does a terrorist bomb create harmony? Big bangs cause chaos. How could a Big Bang produce a rose, apple trees, fish, sunsets, the seasons, hummingbirds, birds, animals, trees, all with their own eyes, nose and mouth?

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Theophilus #fundie

What were God's intentions in punishing Job? Well, first of all, God wasn't inflicting the punishment...Satan was. However, if you'll notice, Job was sitting pretty until God mentioned him to Satan...and then the problems for Job began.

Okay, God didn't punish Job, but He allowed Satan to.

Satan isn't omniscient, so he may not have even been aware of Job...but since God brought up Job as an example of a righteous man, He opened Job up for the events that unfolded.

Sounds like God is pretty mean, huh?

...but, He isn't. God is omniscient, and He knew the end result: Job's restoration. So, what does the book of Job tell us, then? Why include it in the Bible at all?

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Prodigal Daughter #fundie

"Di Vinci studied in anatomy in secrecy. The church was in charge of it in his day, so he would sneak corpses into his quarters and disect them at night. When he completed his research, he determined that God did not exist in the human body as the church claimed He did. In fact, after seeing what all he did, Leonardo found disbelief in God. However, from seeing how delicate the heart is, but also how precise, and the fact that it works on its own, I don't see how someone couldn't see God in that"

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dabilljon #fundie

And, yes, there were unicorns in the middle east before Christ's advent. But what the unicorn is is still up to debate. I don't think its a wild ox like the new versions footnotes say but rather perhaps a distinct species like a large rhinoceros or (as Kent Hovind proposes) a triceratops or one of its kind of family.

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ikester7579 #fundie

[I have passed out Chick tracts for the longest time and love the fact that people read them. However, some of my friends, family, and acquaintances despise them. What are your takes on these tracts in comic cartoon form?]

Chick tracts hit sinners right between the eyes with their sin. It also hits the saved right between the eyes with their sin. Those who do not want to conform to God's will, will always despise them.

Question: If they bring people to salvation, who else despises them? Satan.

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ikester7579 #fundie

All quotes by creationist, against evolution, will always be referred to as misleading. As well as any information that does not conform to a evolutionist view.

The scientific view of the comparison of evidence, and the people, base solely on what it supports, and nothing else.

If said evidence supports evolution, it is always viable in scientific circles. The person who brought it to mind is always well educated, never uses fraudulent information, and only goes to the finest schools available.

If said evidence supports creation, or it's God, it can "never" be viable. Is always misleading. And the person who always brings it up, is always a fraud who is uneducated. And goes to a school that does not exist.

A evolutionist scientist who jumps the boat for creation, is a fraud. And even though science had no questions about his or her education, it is in question now because of their decision. The school they went to becomes a diploma mill, and is now considered not accredited. Even though, as long as they believed evolution, all of this was "no problem".

Don't believe this?
1) Does science ever give any credit to a creationist for finding evidence without mocking them in the next breathe?

2) Does science ever speak kindly about someone changing their mind from evolution to creation, even though it is their choice to make?

3) Will science ever accept creation evidence without first putting creationist education on the chopping block, as a means of determining of whether said evidence is viable before even looking at it?

4) Will science quit trying to compete with a religious belief on something they claim is not religious?

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Jorge S #fundie

The "Origin of the Species" is not an ordinary science book. It purports to challenge the account of Creation as written in the Bible. It came from a Christian whose conclusions about observations in the natural world led him to disbelief. It proposes a theory that changes the perception of man regarding important issues like where we come from, where we are going to, what is the purpose of life, etc. As such, its repercusions involve not only Naturalism but also Philosophy, Religion, Theology, Psychology, Ethics, History, Sociology, etc.
I haven't researched the historic background of such a work but one can roughly say that it was landed at a time where there was a revival of humanistic and liberal ideas, the world was being delivered from the heritage of Catholicism, other religions established themselves as universal systems of faith, technologic advances were rapidly being implemented after centuries of stagnation, there was an Industrial Revolution taking place and a flourishing capitalist economy, the levels of worlwide commerce, information and comunication increased, etc. Men were in search of new answers to ancient questions about themselves.
The ideas of Darwin found a rich ground and became a paradigm. Science became the new religion. It's no wonder that many other fields adopted the paradigm and worked to sustain it. No human intellectual output is purely objective and Science is no exception. If you believe in Evolution you interpret reality accordingly.
For the Theory to work they needed: (1) to erase traces of an intelligent Creator, (2) a long timeline to allow gradual changes, (3) conceptions about matter and energy which came from nowhere, organised very nicely - after randomness and chaos ceased on their own - and generated the building pieces of the universe and life.
Therefore, the earth became very old and the Bible was no more than a pretentious book of myths full of allegories and metaphors.

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ikester7579 #fundie

Natural selection is the evolutionists way of saying nature did it, and not God. Creation is the believer saying God did it and not nature.

I often hear of evolutionists claiming it's not a religion. My question would be: Then why are most here fighting a religious belief, with what is claimed as pure science, not a belief or a religion?

Evolution should be able to stand on it's own merits and evidence without people coming into the creation ring. Which often makes me wonder if creation posing a bigger threat than what we are led to believe. Because if I were a evolutionist, and believed all that science claimed about it. I would not even worry about what is not even considered science, in the circles I hang around. But for some, it's an every night affair.

Example: As for me, I don't go looking in atheist forums for trouble. I don't even waste my time joining one. And I have received many invitations. So I don't because I know I have truth, and I know that everyone has a right to make a choice. I've made mine, and the atheist has made theirs. Funny thing is, if you want to debate an atheist, just put up a forum about creation. Or a website. Once they find you, they will spread your name all over the net to other atheists. Soon you'll have loads of traffic, and tons of hate mail. All for what reason? To defend what they call fact, and has no religious base? Against what is religion based?

Here again, it is looking like evolution is what it is not claimed to be. Why else would such a need be to attack God to defend it? It's like a biologist getting into an argument with an airplane mechanic. What would be the subject when both their fields of work are so different?

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moonglow #fundie

[How can sin change animals? They don't even have souls?]

Sure they do but that isn't why they were affected...(they have souls but not spirits)...the weather, and natural disasters don't have souls but were affected too. Of course I realize you aren't a believer...but pretend for a minute...if you were God and created a perfect world for the first people would you honestly put them on a planet that could kill them with hurricanes, tornados, famine, disease and deadly animals and call it 'good'? Probably not. The word 'good' is listed seven times in the first chapter of Genesis. Everything God created He deemed 'good' and good in His terms usually means perfect (would have to show you other scriptures, etc, on that but its late and I need sleep)...

When they sin it wasn't just them affected by sin...everything was. Just watch the news minus man's inhumanity to man and notice just the stories on famines, droughts, natural many died a few days ago in those tornados? How many injuried...

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joleigh #fundie

A few nights ago, a couple of my friends (who aren't christians and are very into meditation, spiritual experiences, etc.) made a ouija board and experimented with it. They said they met a group of "people" and were talking with them for hours. They've been documenting their conversations and everything. My friends told me their names and their stories and that they've been doing this for 3 or 4 nights in a row.

I know they're communicating with demons, and im not sure what to do. They actually believe they're talking to dead people in a sort of limbo. If i try and tell them they're actually talking to demons posing as dead people, they won't believe me, and will roll their eyes, basically.

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Khalou #conspiracy

Iscariot is the label of a Galilean that was an assassin for the Jewish cause against Roman imperialism.

Jesus went along until He was asked about taxes. That was when Judas was instructed to take this particular messianic candidate out.

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Jesus Admirer #fundie

Question: How much faith would it take to believe that a puddle of primordial soup eventually grew into living organisms, which adventually evolved into male and female human beings?(The myth & faith of evolutionists) To believe that a puddle of primordial soup would become living cells and organisms would require a leap of faith in the first place, but then for these simple organisms to evolve into complex cells and organisms would require another giant leap of faith, but then to believe these complex organisms divided themselves into male & female organisms, which is required to produce new life would require gigantic leaps of faith, which is what evolution really is based on by many atheistic Scientists who don’t want to be accountable to a Creator, whether there’s a Creator or not. Evolution has failed to explain how life is made up of male and female species, which requires both to reproduce, which makes life impossible to spring forth from primordial soup as evolutionists believe with their gigantic leap of faith in the religion of evolution.

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Love123 #fundie

I have read about Darwins Lie So not to be confused with any other stories.
It might even be found in an encyclopedia?

As the story goes; If I recall correctly there were two leading scientists striving to find an answer to creation.
There was also money to be funded to them by the government for their research… Something about a dead line to money funding was an issue…

Suddenly Darwin came up with a tooth… this further funded his research and the other leading scientist slipped back.

Darwin took off and here we are… based on a tooth he planted in the ground and then; discovered it.
A swine tooth… he claimed was from early man. He created an entire man from one tooth.

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3D4ME2 #fundie


true story.!

but you never ever hear about that.. UNLESS YOU READ HIS LIFE STORY.

I am not talking about a "click" to wiki or google!

do the research. read about his WHOLE LIFE!


Charles Darwin said. "when I THNK about these two things, they complelty DESTROY my theory.. (what is a theory?)



WHAT IS SO SPECIAL about the feather of a peacock?

you can actually SEE.. the "brushstrokes" of the ARTIST!!

Charles Darwin was bed ridden in later years of his life. And his FAVORITE time of day.. was when RECESS started.. he woulld always ask his nurse. to open the window. so he could hear the children. SING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST.. while laying there in his bed.. WITH HIS BIBLE!

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threebigrocks #fundie

Some evolutionists belive in the 'soup' theory where all living things simply evolved from a big pot of molecular chowder that somehow came together to form man, then woman. They then crawled out of a primal ooze and continued to evolve into the man we see in our world today. This is where the refutation of a tornado putting together a house arguement is used freequently with evolution.

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DSK #fundie

[If we received a confirmed signal from a distant alien civilization (proving that there is intelligent life on other planets), how would it affect your views regarding Christianity, Jesus and salvation?]

I would be excited, because then there would be new opportunities to evangelize.

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Stanleyg #fundie

Hieroglyphs is the oldest form of writing. The serpent plays tricks with God's word to add or subtract letters to distort one's thinking.

I am starting a list so that members in our body of Christ can add words to the list that the Holy Spirit has revealed to him or her.

Observe that the letter added and/or subtracted will either distort or modify the meaning. State whether either word is a (D) distortion or (M) modification.


M Evil + d = Devil
D God + l = Gold
D Word + l = World
D Heaven - h + l = Leaven

[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


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recoveringpunker #fundie

There was actualy 1,666 years (I think) from Adam to Flood. Which closely resembles the Artist Formerly Known As Prince's album entitled 1999 .

What is crazy to think about is that Adam lived long enough to know Noah's dad. In fact Adam died like 60 years before Noah. So we can think that Adam talked to Lamech. I can see all the children, and grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc sitting around a camp fire listening to Adam talk about the begining and the Garden. Crazy...

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Keokime #fundie

How come man can't grasp the theory that men in the time of Adam up until the the flood killed all the dinosaurs. That is my opinion. Many animals right now are on the verge of death. Same back then. Adam lived over 800 years, or did he hit 900? Can't remember. Imagine the strength, the ruggedness of man during the first 1000 years of civilization. Just men worrying about meat for their families, tilling the land. Oh, what a great time to be alive. And dinosaurs, imagine looking at them soley as meat. Food for months! Then they are also looked at as predators, so men probably tried to kill as many as possible for their own safety and nothing else.
What is the point I tried to make? I don't know. Um, dinosaurs were here, they roamed the earth, we killed them just like we have killed other species of animals. Done.

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Adam4God #fundie

[Arguing that our mathematical system contains errors.]

Oh i'd like to argue that.
tell me, what is 1/3 of 10 in number form, 3.333... repeating, correct?
So in theory, if 1/3 x3=1
then 3.333....x3=10 ?
but no, 3.333...x3=9.999...
so in "theory" 9.999...=10
yeah, how is mathmatics falsifiable... when i'm afraid our number system has a glitch.

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jesuslover1968 #fundie

It is ridiculous to me that intelligent human beings actually believe we come from apes. On the other hand, I do not mean to insult their intelligence. Evolution is more a religion than a belief. I think those who believe in it should be very careful and pray that they are doing the right thing. I could never believe in it unless God Himself told me it was so.

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Jesus-IS-Savior #fundie

nobody understands evolution because it doesnt happen. Evolution theory cant prove one case of any animal changing from one kind to another. Or organ evolution, all organ evolution...Or how planets evolved, or stars forming...or the sun and earth and planets positions and how they depend on each other..or the elemental table...Or NUMEROUS other things god made DNA molecules..protein chains exc...chromosomes and on and on and on...basically everything

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jesuslover1968 #fundie

Even scientists have admitted that the dating of fossils is faulty. I find it very confusing when I am told that we were once monkies, yet there are no fossils proving this. As someone said the make up of a monkey is close to ours, but still not the same.
Another thing that puzzles me is that scientists try to tell us that humans existed at the same time dinosaurs did, yet there is no mention of this in the Bible. I am sure as big and mean as they were, there would be a mention somewhere. I am also sure that IF they existed at the same time as man, that man would NOT be at the top of the food chain. Also, if they existed where are they mentioned in all of the historical writings?
God Bless.

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Ikester7579 #fundie

[closed thread title: Does your work affect you position on evolution?]

Yes, I work as a oil distributor. Because of this I have had to take three courses in lubrication, and filtration. Learning the history of how some base stocks of oils came to be. And why. Plus that there are ways to make petroleum oil, in less than a day. Made me realize that the millions of years of decay for dinos, and biomass to make crude oil. Does not take millions of years. Which made me search for evidence as to how science came to this conclusion.

What I found is that this conclusion is based on an assumption and not fact. And there is no evidence that the break down of such materials takes that long. But what I did find was that other people took and applied the same conditions, found in the ground, to simuliar materials (turkey, chicken parts. And sewage) and made oil in less than a day.
I found that the only reason that science made the claim of millions of years is because they say dinos lived that far back. And they knew that a lot of the material that oil was made from, came from them. So without testing the assumption, it was accepted and taught as fact. Fact with no scientific testing or method or evidence.

This is one of the many things that set me on a course of doubting evolution, and accepting creation.

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always #fundie

There was a reason that God said it was not good that man be alone. Man was without a mate, amongst animal creatures with mates.

once presented with his mate, he saw bone of HIS bone and flesh of HIS flesh. She was the only one LIKE him.

when SOME scientists bring up this malarky, they want to liken us to the animals, and that will open doors for the sick to come in with ideas like beastialty.... loving the created more than the creator

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Whispering Grace #fundie

"[quote;Tolerance is very important.]

No, tolerance is what has led to apostasy. Tolerance is what has led to moral relativism. Tolerance is what has led to the infestation of liberalism within the Church. Tolerance is what has led to people trusting man over God. Tolerance is what has led to a watering down of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

What IS important is standing firm in God's Word and NOT tolerating that which seeks to destroy it."

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yod #fundie

All christians get in America is harrassement and personal humiliation.

Some of it is caused by our own actions and probably deserved.

If we can't endure even this much for His sake, how will we stand in the day of real persecution? Now is the time to answer that question...not when it is too late.

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moonglow #fundie

Speaking of fundies say the darnest thing, does it not occur to anyone at all how totally werid even having that site is? I mean honestly, WHY spend the money and time (hours upon hours) searching for werid comments by Christians? Do they not have a life? Are they really that bored? Are their ego that deflated they have to pick on the weakest and most immature Christians to make themselves look smart?

Where IS the logic is doing this? I don't know of one single Christian that goes lurking around athesit message boards looking for off the wall remarks and them posting them all on a site for other Christians to laugh about. To me, its extremely immature and something I could see junior high school kids doing for laughs and with too much time on their hands. I actually feel sorry for those involved in running that site because they must have hours and hours of freetime....meaning they have no families or friends to spend time with...and are apparently bored out of their minds to be stooping to doing something so low. But I guess I would rather see them pick on us then getting hooked on porn sites and throwing their money away there!

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threebigrocks's Avatar #fundie

This is something for thought.

If man evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? Why haven't they all become human, if that was God's plan? Apes are an animal, which is what some say we have evolved from? What about the fact Genesis is clear on the fact that God created animals, then man? Adam named them all, correct? Animals were named by man, not an intelligent animal. That I think we can all agree on.

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GodspromisesareYES #fundie

ok winter asked me what do i mean by an agenda- the reason why evolution got so popular was not because there has ever been any form of proof for it it is because it was a theory where in man could completely ignore a creator and feel free to live in flesh and sin.originally evolution was a RELIGION and came from babylon thousands of years ago and it is still a religion today because there is no true science behind it! infact all true science proves it to be true and many men with PHD's christian and non christian have said that this is one of the biggest hoax's ever pulled on humans. the reason that most scientists believe it is that they are sinply not willing to beleive the ONLY other option which is creation. and the truth is that not a few scienctists have lost jobs and had all publications refuse to publish there work when they have even suggested evolution to be proven untrue. Now when you spend that many years getting a degree and having a career then find out all evidence is against the theory that most accept it is a hard choice to be the one to stand up and say hey somethings not right here.

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Blessall #fundie

I have personality never understood the importance of teaching science in school since most of it is man made lies to try and disprove Christianity. Always remember that the Holly Bible is the only book ever written that you don’t have to question.

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uscchica09 #fundie

If the Bible is wrong when it tells us it is infallible, then it contradicts itself. If it contradicts itself, then it is unreliable. If it is unreliable, then our faith is totally shattered and Christianity is a lie. You need to seriously reconsider your logic.

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Graceful Bliss #fundie

Where did God order genocide? Name one spot where God told Israel to kill people due to their race. Instead, He ordered them to kill people, entire nations, for quite a few good reasons

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cowboy_tech #fundie

You could also say that these alien abductions dealing with reproduction is an attempt to make more nephylum. It is also interesting to note that craft sightings seem to break the laws of physics and act more like interdimensional travel.

Remember the human genome has degraded since the fall [wink]

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KennethDCollins #fundie

1. The Bible says that God stretched out the heavens. What does this mean to you guys? 2. We know how fast light travels on Earth, but there is gravity here, and light is affected by gravity. They actually have no clue how fast light travels in the vacuum of space, so what does that do to your theory?

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vinsight4u8 #fundie

Many years ago I stood up against the teaching of evolution at my school. I refused to go along with the bunk, and today (since I believed in Jesus then, but was not saved) I may have done even more. On those papers and such, I wrote what the teacher wanted, and then put that it is a lie as God created everything. God said and it was so! I put bible verses at the top and off to the sides. Before we compromised in that way, I stood up several times and preached to the class that the bible says...and God created. I spoke about Noah and the rainbow. Evolution is a big lie and it is certainly not scientific!

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Thadd #fundie

I think 1-12 grade could be taught out of the book of Job. I truly do. I am a doctor of metaphysics and feel as if it is my duty to let the world know of the invisible things of life. i.e the spirit. But, God is great and it was Him who created all that is, and he did it with His powers. Our science is only products of His greatness. I want many to read here some excerpts from Job. It is great, smart, and right on the dime, and was more than 4000 years ahead of our scienctific age.

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KennethDCollins #fundie

Now are you stating that there was no global flood??? Is there any part of the Bible that you DO believe??? Of course there was a global flood, and scientific evidence is proving this more and more all the time. You know those layers that were supposed to take millions of years each to form? Well, they realize now that that's not the case. If there was even 10 years in between, they would see evidence of insects and other small animals burrowed under each level. They would also see signs of erosion in between the layers. Guess what? They find NEITHER ONE. The only conclusion they can possibly come up with is a global flood. All the different types of minerals and everything else was caught up in this flood and slowly began to settle to the ground, the heaviest minerals first on through to the lightest. It's like mixing oil and water.

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MC1171611 #fundie

"Why is it that you can tell a kid that God created him and that the Bible is true, and he'll believe it so fiercely, yet tell that to an "educated" individual, or that is a "Free Thinker," and all of a sudden he'll question EVERY SINGLE THING that God said. No matter that the Bible lays it out htere so clearly, he will question it. The Bible says that we have to have faith, but who cares, right? I mean, if we can rationalize everything away, then there's no need for faith"

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TEITZY #fundie

"The idea that God created the universe is indeed logical and while we as finite beings, may not be able to comprehend the infinite existence of God, such a preposition is logical given the evidence of the physical universe.

The thought that the universe created itself is not just illogical but absurd based on what we know about space, time and matter.

Your preposition that God just "popped into existence" is wrong and itself an absurd idea. What do you suppose are the chances of yourself just popping into existence from pond slime? Even the most deluded evolutionist would not propose that man could instantaneously 'evolve' from a chemical soup. So how could God, who is infinitely greater than man, form from nothing?"

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Always #fundie

[A reply to Amadeus when he asked another poster to provide evidence to claims of widespread satanic abuse]


it would not change the fact that the occult is real, it's satanic, it is of the devil, you are missing the point, the word of God stating that evil is evil should be proof enough

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proudsoccermom #fundie

We have a new single male neighbor, [shocked smiley] and another single male neighbor has lived a few houses down since we moved here. We have done our best to shelter our children from him. We belive that being single is sinful (God gave Eve to Adam, a womans purpose is to be with a man). We do not want our children to think its ok to go though life single. My husband thinks all singles are 'you know what' which makes this matter even more dire. We can't afford to move right now so we're both just at our wits end. We've been praying constantly and talking to our pastor who is very concerned as well. I will continue to pray [praying smiley] and I'm sure He will show me the right path, until then has anyone else struggles with this problem, any advise? ["HELP" smiley]

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ikester7579 #fundie

Four also applies to:

1) Four regions; North, South, East, West.
2) Four elements; Earth, Air, Fire, Water.
3) Four Seasons; Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter.
4) Four kingdoms; Mineral, vegetable, animal, spiritual.
5) Four winds; from the four directions of this earth as mentioned in the word of God.
6) Four divisions of our day; morning, noon, evening, and night.
7) Four phases of the moon; 1st quarter, new moon, last quarter, and full moon.

Out of the list above, only animal is not created yet. Also, 7 is the number of God.

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psalm150 #fundie

The creation does not lie and numbers do not lie.JESUS,the Creator,left His numerical stamp over everything.
I could list a long list of examples but a few are:
7 days in a week Why not 6-8 or 9?

28 days in a creation month[7x4] 29th day new month[full moon to full moon] Why not 25 or 35 days in a month?

The are 12 different notes in a chromatic scale of music. [12 tribes-12 disciples-12 months in a year] Why not 11 or 13?

The NUMBERS do not lie

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ikester7579 #fundie

['The materials here today didnt come directly from the Big Bang, except for maybe some hydrogen and helium somewhere. Just like you can't say humans came from the Big Bang. But everything is a result of the Big Bang.
So as time went on and things were formed they got their age. The same thing with brothers and sisters. I came from the same source as my brother did, but our ages are still different.']

Nice try. Your comparing living and non-living material as if they are the same. Living material ages from the day it becomes alive. Non-living material ages from the moment it exploded into existence.

So this means that all non-living material should date close in age. But a 4.3 billion year old earth, in a 18 billion year old galaxy, does not fit with current views of the Big Bang. That's like having a baby that's older than you are. The concept does not work.

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boonebytes #fundie

I recently completed a spiritual gift test, and the #1 manifested gift on the list was miracles. Does anyone else out there have the gift of miracles? I currently cannot walk on water or anything, but I won't put it past God to use me sometime to help provide faith and sway people to believe.


I guess the main thing is I would like some proof that He's not going to make me look silly. Like, if He wants me to yell out and command the rain to stop (for example), I would like the rain to actually stop so people will not laugh at me or lose faith.

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Studyin'2Show #fundie

[This poster is a creationist]

As far as, evolution 'predicting' anything, thats all it ever has done. Come up with a theory then go looking for evidence to prop it up. Most scientists look at the evidence, then come up with a theory.

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Studyin'2Show #fundie

[Delicious irony]

Look, we both see the same facts, but you seem to interpret them so they will fit in your theory. I see the facts and it seems completely obvious that they support Genesis creation as written. You think I'm deceived, I think you've been indoctinated so it's impossible to see the truth.

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dworthington #fundie

["What I find curious is that creationists keep asking for transitional fossils, but when they are found deny that they even exist. Isn't that closed minded?"]

Single minded is not neccessarily closed.

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Urim #fundie

Astronomers have discovered a blue ring around Uranus. This is impressive because it adds credence to the idea that the "waters" of day two in Genesis, while the Earth was "without form and void", might represent a description of the early solar disk's appearance.

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JesusFreak7 #fundie

I studied witchcraft for 3 1/2 years until three weeks ago when I gave my life to Christ for the first time in my life. Satan is trying to get me back. I've heard voices to hurt myself and I have been pushed to the ground when no human being was around. He won't leave me alone. I am also on felony probation and still have 2 1/2 years left on my probation. If I screw up I get 1-5 years in prison.

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dad #fundie

The earth is forever. Actually, God Himself is moving here. (The surface will be renewed and burned, yes, but the foundation, or ball underneath is eternal)

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tr0pica1rain #fundie

This year, well.. it's 2006.. I'm kinda scared. I feel like staying home the whole day locked up in my room. I know I sound weird, but I'm not even joking.. and my dog's birthday is June 6th. Is that weird?


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Lissa #fundie

I do not post dreams, but only visions which are seen in the sky. The above vision, the captive Son of Perdition at the end was seen by another person as well.

In May of 2005, I looked in the sky and saw a line of people in beds and on couches going across the sky backwards, (they could only see behind them, not in front (by FAITH), the way I had seen God go on His throne in the

Vision of God (on the locked thread). There were one after another, single file, going backwards the way the God had gone, for a long long time. Some were sitting up, some had stuffed animals suspended above them (children), some were wounded and many were ill.

Then I saw above them, comming across the sky, a boy, but what a boy! he stood facing forward upon the deck of a vessel, going swiftly over the line of people, and he stood relaxed, and eyes downcast as if deep in thought or prayer. He was thinking or praying of something very delightful. Though he was a boy (spiritual purity), his posture was the posture of a great commander, who could command all sorts of men, and the men would be passionately loyal to him. I marveled at the wisdom of the face of the boy, and his bearing. There was nothing on board but a life perserver, and it looked like the vessel had taken a beating at sea and the back half was broken off. My heart went out to him, for he was all alone.

A little while and I saw a girl comming across the sky, above the line of people, the same way the boy had gone. she had a little dog by her feet. She was also facing forward, at the front of a vessel or vehicle which I could not identify. She looked extremely confident and as if she were the bearer of an urgent message. She was leaning slightly forward, looking up. She looked ver wholesome and far too pure for this world and I wondered about her safety. The little dog was thrilled there beside her. His nose pointed forward toward where the boy had gone. Then he looked at me and his eyes were full of a wonderful knowing. He looked at me as if to say "If you only knew..."
hen I looked closely at the girls eyes, I saw she was worshipping God. Her eyes were lit with an inner joy that sparkled, but beneath the sparkle were every sign of weariness, and grief, so that I knew that her journey had been very hard and perilous.

I was amazed at the boy and the girl, and thought what trusted children they were, and I thought, 'If these are the children, what must the parents be like?'

For a long time I did not understand the vision, until I asked the Lord to reveal it to me, then I realized they were the Two Witnesses of God spoken of in Revelation 11.

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the J Man #fundie

[advice for medical depression]

Anyone going through depression, if you practice these principles, it will help you tremendously.

1. Focus your attention on Jesus.

2. Allow God to be first in your life.

3. Immerse yourself in the Word of God.

4. Tell the devil and his demon spirits to flee in the name of Jesus.

5. Have fellowship with strong believers.

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Studyin'2Show #fundie

because there are 100s of billions of stars doesn't say that they're all huge like our sun. The level of activity within an atom is amazing and if we were a neutron we may have an idea that the protons and the electrons are much farther than they are. Who knows how large or how small these other galaxies might be? No one. I would be guessing and so would you. You are basing your conclusions on data you don't have. You see, we will not know for sure until we actually go that far into space. That's why I say it's arrogant to say that we know what we really don't know.

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always #fundie

God is still in control, there is nothing that we can do to the planet that God hasn't taken into consideration, waaaaay before resources get to scarce, His plan will take care of everything

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NewZack #fundie

Archeologists in Texas found a fissilized foot and leg that was inside of a cowboy boot. Evidently it doesn't take all that long to form a fossil. A fossilized dinosuar footprint was also discovered with a human footprint in it. Can't remember exactly where but it was.

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lilsheltie #fundie

i suggest you guys read "Heaven is so real" by Choo Thomas.
She's been brought to heaven 17 times and she's the end times prophetess. (sp?)
Her accounts are awesome. IN heaven, we have mansions to live in, we have beach/vacation houses etc.
Jus read it! (:

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Diane! #fundie

I don't think the feminists movement has given us much. The right to vote, sure, but it used to be that men would raise from their seats and remove their hats when a lady entered the room. Just like royalty.